Time Does Not Exist

[SteveA]

Awareness and unconsciousness arise mutually together in concord, undivided as well? I would think they are inversely proportional.

regards

Zelta

What happens that you aren't aware of and how do you know, or in what form do, those things exist that you're not aware of?

If you're looking at someone else, you're measuring time and events via. your awareness and its only your awareness of the possibility of unconsciousness that makes unconsciousness a possible thing and notice that the same is true for the other person.

If there was no consciousness there would also be no unconsciousness - so unconsciousness doesn't create consciousness, whereas when there is consciousness there is a possibility of unconsciousness, so conscious creates the perception of unconsciousness.

At least I believe that's the perspective Melanie intended to portray.

[Unreal Zelta]

What happens that you aren't aware of and how do you know, or in what form do, those things exist that you're not aware of?

If you're looking at someone else, you're measuring time and events via. your awareness and its only your awareness of the possibility of unconsciousness that makes unconsciousness a possible thing and notice that the same is true for the other person.

If there was no consciousness there would also be no unconsciousness - so unconsciousness doesn't create consciousness, whereas when there is consciousness there is a possibility of unconsciousness, so conscious creates the perception of unconsciousness.

At least I believe that's the perspective Melanie intended to portray.

Consciousness creates the 'potentiality' of unconsciousness, which differs from being unconscious or 'perceiving unconsciousness' (seems oxymoronic) hence the word potential. If one finds himself in a coma, and there is a shoot out in the hospital, would he be aware of it?

My prevailing view is that people are using transcendence arguments and the like as advocation for 'biological' or 'spiritual' superiority; almost like achieving a new level of human evolution.

I still require further clarification, but thank you for your efforts.

regards

Zelta

[stijill]

Yes "time" and "space" does not exist. matter only matters

[greenbug]

When talking about my ideas of space and time to a friend he said, it sounds like this to him..

Can you get torque out of horsepower or horsepower out of torque?
It’s a trick question he said.. They are both measurements of different things..

After a long time I’ve come to understand people want cold hard facts. The problem is you cant give them what they want.. The only thing you can do is give them the tools they need to make the measurements them selves. The problem is every one comes up with different ways of using those tools, including me.

So to say time or space, a form of measurement, doesn’t exist.. Or that only matter exists is a perspective of some one using a tool to measure their world. Much like a mechanic saying he only ever needs one tool…

Sure some one may be capable of using only one tool but I prefer my tool chest to be full.. Then again I’m not a professional …

[dipayankar]

The perception of time is imbibed inside the brain and is primarily dictated by motion.

[stijill]

chicken and egg… which came first isn't really a good analogy. Of the three; time, space and matter(particles, vibrating strings etc…). Which one of the three can exist without the other two? Time can only exist between the state of matter. And space can only exist between two points of matter. But matter as a singularity can exist by it's self. So we fall back on the whole "observer" crap! Try taking time and space out of the equation… really…

[austintorn@aol.com]

If one has the time, see

http://www.toequest.com/forum/genera...tml#post112293

[stijill]

The bottom line is we are not that evolved to comprehend so we come up with the most elaborate theories that seem to loop back upon itself.