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05-07-2005, 05:19 PM

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Isnt it possible that they probably pass it onto a parallel universe or Black Holes are teeming with wormholes which are used by the particles to move on to other universes. Does information release necessary have to be through an explosion?
I don't think so. Do you explode when you are talking?

maybe black holes do HAVE to explode to transmitt information, as Antonio said, but, now to Antonio, don't black holes transmitt information also whith their rediation (Stephen Hawking's)?
  
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05-08-2005, 02:30 PM

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don't black holes transmitt information also whith their rediation (Stephen Hawking's)?
these polarized photons from Hawking's radiation should have contained some information from the black holes but the fact that they were made at the event horizon indicated that they can't carry any useful information of the interior therefore black holes remain black while the event horizon appears brown.
  
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05-11-2005, 07:56 AM

I somehow still cannot fathom how Black holes will usurp all the information that it feeds on. It has to either expell the information or has to pass it on. It cannot be an infinite resorvior of energy ( I am assuming inside a black hole mass would bo longer exist and it would only be enegy). It cannot destroy energy. Where does all of those energy go??



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these polarized photons from Hawking's radiation should have contained some information from the black holes but the fact that they were made at the event horizon indicated that they can't carry any useful information of the interior therefore black holes remain black while the event horizon appears brown.
  
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05-11-2005, 11:57 AM

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I somehow still cannot fathom how Black holes will usurp all the information that it feeds on.
According to Einstein's general relativity, the extreme curvature of spacetime confines matter to a point or black hole. Therefore this black hole should contain infinite mass or infinite density if we define density as the ratio of mass over volume. But infinite density can also be defined as the ratio of finite unit mass over zero volume. The information hidden inside the black hole can shed some light whether it is infinite mass or zero volume or both. Note that infinite mass is the same as saying infinite energy in accordance with Einstein's special relativity of mass and energy equivalence summarized by the household equation E=mc^2.
  
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According to Einstein's general relativity, the extreme curvature of spacetime confines matter to a point or black hole. Therefore this black hole should contain infinite mass or infinite density if we define density as the ratio of mass over volume. But infinite density can also be defined as the ratio of finite unit mass over zero volume. The information hidden inside the black hole can shed some light whether it is infinite mass or zero volume or both. Note that infinite mass is the same as saying infinite energy in accordance with Einstein's special relativity of mass and energy equivalence summarized by the household equation E=mc^2.
does then the sinularity of the black hole have infinite gravity also? it's quite logical to be afirmative.
  
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does then the sinularity of the black hole have infinite gravity also?
It does. But for a system of two point-masses A and B and for finite mass values of A and B the gravity force can be infinite if only the distance between A and B is zero, which also mean that A and B are congruent. In quantum mechanics, it is called self-energy and this self-energy is also infinite.
  
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It does. But for a system of two point-masses A and B and for finite mass values of A and B the gravity force can be infinite if only the distance between A and B is zero, which also mean that A and B are congruent. In quantum mechanics, it is called self-energy and this self-energy is also infinite.
I hate infinites, infinity, in-finit.......................

Aren't those just escuses just nopt having to answer the dificult questions?
  
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Aren't those just escuses just nopt having to answer the dificult questions?
This is an excuse for the limit of measurements. But there is no limit for what math can do. This is the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in action. The measure limits for position-momentum or time-energy.
  
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This is an excuse for the limit of measurements. But there is no limit for what math can do. This is the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle in action. The measure limits for position-momentum or time-energy.
and, let me guess, planck scale, constant, distance, mass, energy.....and other anoying planck numbers are limits of measure (smaller we get infinites)?
  
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05-11-2005, 03:28 PM

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There is no physical theory or mathematical model beyond the Planck domain. The latest quantum field theory is above Planck length, which include cosmological theory about the BB singularity. Hawking has said many times that physics is meaningless at the singularity.
  
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