Time does exist.

[sillysally]

This is because time is not an abstract concept invented by and for intelligent people to know what time it is. Time exists even without clocks, I have my own internal clock, it's called biological clock an internal time mechanism. It determines when I come to life and when I die.

I personally don't understand how it works because I am not as intelligent as the people that think it was invented to understand that they are intelligent, are. Does that sound right? Maybe some time inventor believers can make that sentence more legible coz I am sure you know what I mean since your so smart and all.

I age, that takes time. I grow and age when I sleep, that takes time. I eat which makes me grow and age and sleep, that takes time. I have babies, which makes me grow and age and sleep and eat and that takes time. I sit and drink coffee and type on the computer and that takes time, I might even be putting some people to sleep while I do this so they will grow and age and that takes time.

I am not saying time is endless, obviously it is. FOR EVERYONE, it's eternal because it's not invented or made up, it exists in most parts of life and rocks don't need or have time. Everything takes time, whether we understand it or not doesn't make us smarter than a box of rox.

So if you are a rock, time doesn't exist for you. But if you are an intelligent rock, you can use "time" to pretend like you are a smart rock.

So time exists as we don't know how it does, but it does, always has and always will, differently since it's always moving but it takes a very long time to move.

Yup Austin, it's been a slow summer in existence.

PS. I think time is a lot longer than what everyone thinks, I think these measurement restrictions put on it by these self proclaimed smart a$$es make it go faster than what reality really is. So they are aging everyone and making them die faster than what should really be happening.

[everymansmedium]

This is because time is not an abstract concept invented by and for intelligent people to know what time it is. Time exists even without clocks, I have my own internal clock, it's called biological clock an internal time mechanism. It determines when I come to life and when I die.

I personally don't understand how it works because I am not as intelligent as the people that think it was invented to understand that they are intelligent, are. Does that sound right? Maybe some time inventor believers can make that sentence more legible coz I am sure you know what I mean since your so smart and all.

I age, that takes time. I grow and age when I sleep, that takes time. I eat which makes me grow and age and sleep, that takes time. I have babies, which makes me grow and age and sleep and eat and that takes time. I sit and drink coffee and type on the computer and that takes time, I might even be putting some people to sleep while I do this so they will grow and age and that takes time.

I am not saying time is endless, obviously it is. FOR EVERYONE, it's eternal because it's not invented or made up, it exists in most parts of life and rocks don't need or have time. Everything takes time, whether we understand it or not doesn't make us smarter than a box of rox.

So if you are a rock, time doesn't exist for you. But if you are an intelligent rock, you can use "time" to pretend like you are a smart rock.

So time exists as we don't know how it does, but it does, always has and always will, differently since it's always moving but it takes a very long time to move.

Yup Austin, it's been a slow summer in existence.

PS. I think time is a lot longer than what everyone thinks, I think these measurement restrictions put on it by these self proclaimed smart a$$es make it go faster than what reality really is. So they are aging everyone and making them die faster than what should really be happening.

Hi Sally:
An ounce of your intuition is worth more than the many pounds of intellect that spend millions to learn sciences that require a continuum for them to be correct. For they will never find the continuum except as a reflection of its opposite, the digital system where the soul exists.
You do not need to respond to this Sally, It is very difficult for anyone to understand. You only need to know that your intuition is the way for you to go. Yes time does exist. As a matter of fact it is more real than the ground that all the people of this world stand upon.

My thoughts for you Sally. I think at sometime in your life you were given a bag of pearls. All that you need to do is to occasionally drop one of these pearls. I know this because I have collected a few of your pearls. These pearls do not come from your understanding but from your intuition. I always will be standing by waiting for one of your pearls.
From this I am very sure that you are loved by someone with a lot of pearls.
John EMM.

[labelwench]

Hello Sally,

Great thread start, in my opinion. Time is an interesting subject because the "white coats" can't quite get a handle on it.

Despite all of our devised mechanisms for measuring the passage of time, that passage itself defies description.

Time does not appear to be a solid, gas or liquid. Yet time can be defined and measured as past, present and future.

We cannot see it, touch it, or hear it, that ticking being made by the device that is measuring time, lol.

And yet time is tangible. We all sense it. We all live it. Rather like some other topics.

Just because we can't describe something, does not mean it does not exist.

Keeps things interesting, anyways. Pleased to meet you.

Labelwench

[everymansmedium]

Hello Sally,

Great thread start, in my opinion. Time is an interesting subject because the "white coats" can't quite get a handle on it.

Despite all of our devised mechanisms for measuring the passage of time, that passage itself defies description.

Time does not appear to be a solid, gas or liquid. Yet time can be defined and measured as past, present and future.

We cannot see it, touch it, or hear it, that ticking being made by the device that is measuring time, lol.

And yet time is tangible. We all sense it. We all live it. Rather like some other topics.

Just because we can't describe something, does not mean it does not exist.

Keeps things interesting, anyways. Pleased to meet you.

Labelwench

Hello LW:
Yes Time is real, you might even go so far as to say that it is reality. For though we can not see it touch it or hear it, we can not see, hear, or touch anything else without it.
John EMM

[SteveA]

Yes, time exists just like a rainbow of colors and vanilla. You can't prove they exist unless someone can already see them and you couldn't even try to begin or end a proof unless you already had time to do so.

Time isn't something that's imposed upon the universe by physical things. If you had no sense of time, those physical changes could not be seen to happen.

So it takes an innate sense of or ability to interact with/in time in order to recognize it.

It's just tough for someone who wants to explore the universe and figure out how things work to stomach the fact that at its foundation, it might as well be built on magic and even if every computation in the universe was performed precisely and a complete set of natural laws could be derived, possibly arising just from an ability to think, it doesn't appear it will explain why ... and maybe that's ultimately for the best.

[sillysally]

Hello Sally,

Great thread start, in my opinion. Time is an interesting subject because the "white coats" can't quite get a handle on it.

Despite all of our devised mechanisms for measuring the passage of time, that passage itself defies description.

Time does not appear to be a solid, gas or liquid. Yet time can be defined and measured as past, present and future.

We cannot see it, touch it, or hear it, that ticking being made by the device that is measuring time, lol.

And yet time is tangible. We all sense it. We all live it. Rather like some other topics.

Just because we can't describe something, does not mean it does not exist.

Keeps things interesting, anyways. Pleased to meet you.

Labelwench

Nice to meet you too!

Lot's of things aren't seen but still exist. Like billions of people that will exist in the future, we can't see them, never will either. But I know they are there, lost in time right now.

I think the only thing we can be sure of is that there is no direction in space. No up or down, left or right, that means the universe is a circle. Like time, a circle is moving but keeps coming back to the same spot, seasons change but always come back around. night and day, time is boring and predictable. I don't know what so many people make such a fuss over it.

[sillysally]

Yes, time exists just like a rainbow of colors and vanilla. You can't prove they exist unless someone can already see them and you couldn't even try to begin or end a proof unless you already had time to do so.

Time isn't something that's imposed upon the universe by physical things. If you had no sense of time, those physical changes could not be seen to happen.

So it takes an innate sense of or ability to interact with/in time in order to recognize it.

It's just tough for someone who wants to explore the universe and figure out how things work to stomach the fact that at its foundation, it might as well be built on magic and even if every computation in the universe was performed precisely and a complete set of natural laws could be derived, possibly arising just from an ability to think, it doesn't appear it will explain why ... and maybe that's ultimately for the best.

It is amazing isn't it. I just think it's round and it happens over and over and each time more is added to it and it learns. Like a human, time passes information on.

[ggullet]

Time is an umeasurable latency between the past and the future. A void filled with imagination

[SteveA]

It is amazing isn't it. I just think it's round and it happens over and over and each time more is added to it and it learns. Like a human, time passes information on.

Sounds like a pretty good description to me.

Here's another example of the problem in trying to figure out a logical way to describe how time operates - if you have a computer run a program and give you results, it has to wait until you've seen them, otherwise you don't see the results.

This means the computer needs an instruction to wait until you've seen the result, but the computer can't compute when this will occur and it may not even be able to determine that there was a delay.

Another interesting thing is with photons in physics - if you put your hand in front of your eyes, you block the light, but do the photons actually travel through space in straight lines like matter?

Well, there's a difference with light - if light exists and we see photons, then you're not actually seeing an object but the light it emits. The position of the object is denoted by the light itself - you interpret where the object is by these photons, but the photons themselves are not required to move through the same space that they portray to us just as electrons in a computer or impacting the monitor don't travel within the space of the displayed picture, or similarly, if you're watching a movie you aren't actually in it.

There's an alternate way to "fix" this if we remove photons from the picture and say we're only seeing the object itself ... but then we still need some way of describing the manner in which these objects appear to have an energy flowing through them (so basically energy and matter need to be unified, otherwise we're either seeing energy or an object and this leaves one of them undescribed).

The physical self is a focal point of information, but the consciousness behind this is not necessarily anything physical.

[SteveA]

(continued ...)

And a couple more interesting considerations:

If perceptions occur within a physical brain then when someone sees someone else, they're not physically seeing them but instead seeing what they believe to be their physical representation.

And another one: If the universe was predetermined over x billion years and our actions arise from physical laws, then similarly it could be said that the physical universe was predetermined x billion years ago to allow you to act as you do now. If you can lift you hand when you want and natural laws supposedly determined this, then we could say that the universe was created/designed x billion years ago to allow you to do that. (I'm just trying to point out the problem with the physical descriptions)

On the other hand, just like energy and matter, if there's a dual description for consciousness and matter then we run into problems again trying to find a link that connects them - but there is no specific point in the pathway of information where things become physical or not. There's just the known and unknown, in my opinion, and the things that are known reflect things about yourself (yes, I'm referring to myself also) and the unknown is effectively a singular thing - multiple unknowns are just how its seen over time, but in the end it's a flow of energy that might as well be from a singular source (and you can see this same view mirrored in many views throughout history). What is it? By definition, I don't know

Anyway, that's the picture I've come to after spending a lot of time trying to piece things together and though people might extend the view, it's hard to imagine how you could bridge the gap and see the whole picture without a figurative leap of faith involved. I'm certain there are people that claim to have it figured out, but I'll probably remain a skeptic, though it's interesting to at least be able to understand better what things they're referring to and see some common landmarks that most everyone appears to share, even if the words used to describe them are different.