[harmonygirl]

David,
Interesting musings. I wonder if the evolution of the environment includes actors in that environment acting in a self-destructive fashion and poisoning the environment (Of course, I'm referencing pollution). Does the extinction of organisms who fail to adapt to new levels of toxins mean their evolution stopped or our own became unhealthy? Or maybe I'm missing the point?

[David Maes]

Very interesting.

I'm pretty sure that pollution is not very healthy. Think of the air... I've even heard someone saying that babies (with perfect longs) or sometimes already ill when they are born just by the fact that their longs cannot adjust to the filthy air.

On the other I think evolution has not stopped cause our brains seem to become bigger and bigger in long term... (think of the toppling over of the 'wedge bone' (don't know if I use the right word for it)...)

Also this... in long term, bacteria seem to get more and more virulent...

About the part of time...

Getting older doesn't always seem to have been the general rule...

Think of certain kinds of prehistoric trees (sometimes getting 400 hundred years or so...) (of course there are still some kind of species left now, but not so many as in that time...

I have more info about this...
(but sorry have to leave... priority calls)

[harmonygirl]

so if we accept that the evolution of environment is unhealthy, where does that leave organisms who fail to adapt and hence, become extinct? Maybe a better way to put this is what is the impact on evolution of the organisms that failed to evolve? Are bigger brains an advancement (esp. given that we use so little of them)?

[pagan3142]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl so if we accept that the evolution of environment is unhealthy, where does that leave organisms who fail to adapt and hence, become extinct? Maybe a better way to put this is what is the impact on evolution of the organisms that failed to evolve? Are bigger brains an advancement (esp. given that we use so little of them)?

You are a 1 woman crusade trying to save the planet huh. ever heard of Karma. regards steve

[michellemfry]

Originally Posted by pagan3142 there is no such thing as matter everything is in a wave form then ?

I still believe in matter. To me it is the driving force behind the production of wave behavior.

[David Maes]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl so if we accept that the evolution of environment is unhealthy, where does that leave organisms who fail to adapt and hence, become extinct? Maybe a better way to put this is what is the impact on evolution of the organisms that failed to evolve? Are bigger brains an advancement (esp. given that we use so little of them)?

(sorry of quoting you...)

I think you have a point; maybe bigger brains or only a temporary advantage, but not the real 'purpose' of evolution (if evolution already has a purpose of course...). (or also... maybe it's not the amount of the brain that is important but rather the quality of its connections...)

Maybe I have to take back what I said of human species will still evolve in long term... Bigger brains is what science has present observed in relation to a bit earlier... it's just showing the tendency which is happening... I think it doesn't prove our species will survive for ever... (It might be that they don't)

On the other hand I doubt a bit whether evolution is unhealthy... maybe it's unhealthy now because it seems to have evolved to a species which sometimes acts in an unhealthy way... but maybe our species won't survive the consequences and then evolution will start over again in an other way... (just like with the dinosaurs...)

But our species seems to be able to do lots of healthy things also... but maybe the consequence of luxury and even health itself, is that it's unhealthy for the species...

Think of antibiotics... what happens... in long term bacteria become resistant... (they evolve) So we not other antibiotics... (they evolve again)... Bacteria in long term become more and more virulent...

What do we do? Maybe we kill all bacteria all at once?
Or does the human species have to discover some new kind of treatment for virusses???

Maybe species will adapt to toxines and evolve like this...??
Toxines seem to be a problem for us... but will it remain??

Anyhow whether it's nature's 'purpose' that we survive or not...
We made a choice... we want to survive... and our species will do everything possible to do this (even when we are a part of nature).

(PS: you seem to use very much of your brain...)

[pagan3142]

the human species is a virus. the closes thing that resembles a human is a virus cause it spreads like one.
No matter all the good work of people all around the worl ,despite thier Karma , the human is a virus. Intentional I think not but we have reasoning and dont use it.
harmonygirl is on the right track but is getting no-where, ever wonder why ???.
I hate to tell you this but this is the truth.
even a virus mutatees can we ??

[harmonygirl]

Thanks for that David! I don't think evolution is itself unhealthy, I was just wondering what happens when organisms and species disappear because they can't adapt to the negative aspect(s) of evolution. Do they simply disappear from the equation or does their absence have reprecussions? Does it make a difference whether organisms disappear due to unhealthy environments or because they couldn't adapt to healthy ones? One of my pet theories is that we actually exist only to host viruses. (which would be a real kick in the pants, given how arrogant we are!)
Steve, I don't think we are viruses (although see above!) For a long time (pre-history) we lived in harmony with our environment. If the disharmony was innate, this would never have happened. But I think we have strayed from the theme of this thread.

[pagan3142]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Thanks for that David! I don't think evolution is itself unhealthy, I was just wondering what happens when organisms and species disappear because they can't adapt to the negative aspect(s) of evolution. Do they simply disappear from the equation or does their absence have reprecussions? Does it make a difference whether organisms disappear due to unhealthy environments or because they couldn't adapt to healthy ones? One of my pet theories is that we actually exist only to host viruses. (which would be a real kick in the pants, given how arrogant we are!) Steve, I don't think we are viruses (although see above!) For a long time (pre-history) we lived in harmony with our environment. If the disharmony was innate, this would never have happened. But I think we have strayed from the theme of this thread.

so you think that we really want to be the host of so many bad viuses aids std's etc is what we are 4. Really , if thats the case then how come we spread them ???. you need a rethink if this is your pet theory.Arrogance aside I think you have missed the point and will stick to you guns anyway. you have a closed mind and do not think out of the box.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by pagan3142 perhaps messages are sent in a form we cant see. just as a drug travels through the system maybey it cannot be detected. Be open that the universe may not work quite like we think it should ?? can a fish understand English ? can we really know what is the grand design ? Steve

My gold fish understands me when I say in english
yourfoodisready,hewill do a loop the loop to signal that heknows!


kind regards michael.