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hey Mike, I think your chart looks really neat. I was wondering why I didn't come up as one of the top posters, and then I realized that I just barely didn't make the cut (I'm the next one down after Michael). Do you think you could do my chart and reading too? I would really enjoy that.

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[Guille]

Mike, which of the descriptions is mine?

by the way, it's hard to understand the desing image, what does each symbol mean?
How are the percentages obtained?

Thanks a lot anyway for the chart.

[Mike 5]

my post in reply to Guille and Subversion has been deleted.

The settings from internet cafes are impossible to get through. Too bad.

Professional chart readings are only $350 from www.humandesignonline.com

Charts and the software to make them are FREE in two rival versions:

www.newsunware.com - the original Neutrinos for Windows from Germany

www.jovianarchive.com - Maia Mechanics Imaging and daily comments from the originator of Human Design. Some free downloads, some items very expensive... Always thought provoking.

www.humandesignamerica.com - good overview of The Human Design System

www.humandesignfilms.com and www.humandesign-uk.com

www.humandesignhispania.com in Spanish


My UK internet provider has been taken over by imcompetent frogs who blew up my broadband box during a routineremote upgrade. This being the third world, no alternative service will be provided for several days.

So my communication is currently hexed, maybe as punishment for opening this pandoras box here and infecting you all with the virus of new truth.

Maybe I have reached a level of enlightenment where I am ahead of natural time- mercury is not actualy retrograde until the 14th November 2005, according to

http://www.moonalert.com/merc_retrograde.htm

[michellemfry]

You haven't tried a female. I would love to volunteer myself to you.

[michellemfry]

We're just a crazy bunch, aren't we Mike. We all want our charts done now.

When it rains,...

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by michellemfry You haven't tried a female. I would love to volunteer myself to you.

Well Michelle I am not sure what you mean, but here is my
basic overview for the neutrino conditions for planet
earth at 17h GMT on your birthday and year when the Sun
was at a subtended rotational geometry known to NASA as 6°
28' 32.126 Taurus. Taurus is a technical division of the
night sky, where at your birth our local neutrino power
source, the sun, happened to be by just over 6 degrees of
arc.

Check your chart for yourself at www.jovianarchive.com or
www.humandesignamerica.com, or the many other free chart
services.

TECHNICAL PROBLEMS PREVENT A DECENT PAGE LAYOUT FOR SOME REASON TODAY... Fasten your seatbelts please.

This chart shows an ego manifestor with emotional
authority. So in simple terms, you don't normally ask anyone for help or advice, you tire easily, feel anger often, and get punished by others. Emotional authority is a false label for someone with the utter depth to need three or more days to reach important decisions - the depth and intensity of your cognition works by a form of triangulation, hence the idea "no truth in the now" for you, this means every single cognition is amplified by ephemeral circumstances, but over time YOU reach deeper truth about people and yourself and situations, so take that time and distrust all that you feel to be "true" until you have three or more different feelings about what to say or do. It's like trying to make stereo images with one camera on a merry-go-round, once you grasp how to do it, everything clicks into place.

However your mind is a collection of
unfinished business - confusing inspirations seeking the
basic truth of past images jumbled together, and almost
mystical concepts that rerun over and over. You feel you
are the natural boss, the owner, this might lead to some
conflicts and punishment from your parents early in life,
because you never asked permission, you just went ahead
and got into trouble. Still in your mind, your
personality (who YOU think you are...) you tend to reject
others and find your own pleasures sometimes discovering
unusual ways (uranus in hexagram 40.1). Your identity
confuses you and others yet oscillates around creativity,
behaviour, and fixed rhythms and routines. You can be
moody or spiritual, especially with family and friends.
You may feel great, and have natural gifts for nourishing,
caring, or cooking for others but you do find this
exhausting, yet exhilirating. You can finish things with
great enthusiasm but find it harder to start things. You
take risks and even play games to find meaning and purpose
in your life, and others notice this about you.

So that is who YOU think you are, from the positions of
the planets mapped onto 64 positions using the hexagrams
of the ancient Chinese YiJing replacing the simplistic 12
zodiac signs. However I am doing this basically from
memory, a professional chart analyst would take the time
to research each position to a precision of 384 positions,
each hexagram has six distinct lines, but I only guess at
those meanings so I am not a professional.
Disturbingly, Human Design places the entry of YOUR
awareness into your bodily foetus 88 subtended degrees of
earth orbit before your picosecond of birth, that is on
the 29 January in your case. This is absurd. So I do
hope the following details are nothing to do with your
BODY, your unconscious, and the way close friends and
family know you, but please ask them anyway in the spirit
of empirical research.

Immediately this second overlay of your chart, from that
nonsensical January date and picosecond, shows that "your
life is a constant lesson in sensitivity - to balance your
own needs with those around you whilst holding fast to
your own principles" (R.Rudd - a complete guide to
circuits channels and gates - 19-49 The Channel of
Synthesis). I need a text book for this particular
information, so that is what it says. "people with this
channel demand cose contact with others. Depending on
whether the emotional wave is up or down, they can want to
hug or want to hit."

There is as full a list of more specific details as for
your Personality, but moving on, your mind and body
combined as one being within the world of experience and
as is normally the case, additional features occur in that
interaction of flesh and intention. Above all you are a
materialist, "you are here to make money through the power
of your will. It is not natural for you to work for
anyone but yourself, since you are uncomfortable
controlling others in any way... There people are here to
master the material plane. They are here to lead and be
in control."

Now this brings many tensions and challenges in your life.
Others do not like that aspect of you, but you have no
choice, in the lottery you were born that way. In short,
your life will be without resistance, without friction in
the mechanics of consciousness within material form, when
you wait to respond to situations by your gut feelings and
even then, in your case, allow three or more days to be
sure before any major decisions.

You also naturally struggle, it is healthy for you, and in
fact, the beauty is that at the first sign of any
opposition to what you intend to do, you may as well give
up. There is sure to be another better choice for you to
notice calmly and over a number of days. The "channel of
struggle" is a warning light on the dashboard of
opportunity. Is this or that worth the fight? Take it
easy and you will shine very brightly indeed, as a self
made woman, and that does take many years of course, so
plenty of time to work it all out. Finally "the secret to
your life is to learn to appreciate the lows as much as
you love the highs. When you can let go of wanting to
control love, only then will you experience the freedom
you seek." (All quotes from RR - these from 39-55 the
Channel of Emoting). So for you in particular, expect
"endless cycles of sadness and joy", "tapping into the
tremendous creativity that can come from the emotions, and
in particular the low end of the spectrum." By the way,
"This is a deeply romantic, acoustic channel with a great
sensitivity to music. These people need to talk and
listen to each other. They love to act out their moods
and express their feelings, and because of this they make
natural actors, musicians, poets and artists of all
kinds."

May I recommend my book of poetry art and autobiography, Run Naked in
the Rain, for any of life's more challenging moments, we
all have them and one of my joys is to turn bleakness into
humour, beauty, and dance.
Details here: www.lulu.com/content/144312 or www.digitalwitchdoctor.com

So, are you satisfied?

Let me know - I will presume this is all nothing to do
with you, unless I hear otherwise. If any of it is at all
bell wringing, please confirm you exact time and place of
birth and I will check some details - because the moon and
mercury moved hexagrams and I just approximated 12 noon in
Illinois.

Ciao for now

Mike 5

[michellemfry]

You have met the true Michelle. I was born about 5:57 pm, I think it was a Saturday, on April 26 1964 in Rockford, Illinois.

This is wild, that's all I have to say. I await your reply.

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by michellemfry You have met the true Michelle. I was born about 5:57 pm, I think it was a Saturday, on April 26 1964 in Rockford, Illinois. This is wild, that's all I have to say. I await your reply.

Ah, that makes a slight but in my view significant difference. If you see my original post about what people on this Forum have in common, a feature known as "gateless" centres, the 12 noon chart did not fit that pattern. The 17h57 chart DOES, you have then a gateless conceptual centre (Neo-cortex). That is indeed satisfying for me, in my view people with gateless centres form a special elite. Mercury shifted retrograde and changes your chart to be one of this elite, as all the power posters here are... that I have checked so far...

So when I mentioned about your mind going over and over mystical glimpses that was mercury hexagram 24, and with the correct time mercury is in hexagram 27 (the hexagrams are in BINARY number order dialectically (fractally) opposed: 000000 0000001 0000010 000011 000100 OPPOSED on a wheel or circle by 111111 111110 111101 111100 111011 etc - starting in mid Taurus and mid Scorpio as positions subtended in the solar system. Crazy weird stuff, eh, utter bull poo so how can any of this reveal anything, eh, how?) The ancient Chinese did not use this technical order, but numbered them by esoteric sequence that seems illogical, so number 24 (hexagram 100000 in binary) is preceded by number 27 10001 (mercury floats backwards several times a year in terms of the filtering process on neutrinos from distant stars on their way to here and now - and because of the dialectic duality mathematics the numbering works this way logically, complex to explain, but simple when you see it).

So conceptually - no time to explain it now - another day. Ciao for now and have fun. And check again this is not just coincidence

[baudrunner]

The baudrunner was born at 11.34 P.M. on June 27, 1953 in a little place called Best about six kilometres north of Eindhoven in the Netherlands.

I once did my chart a long time ago by hand before the age of computers and found that I have Venus ascending in Taurus under a full moon. Correct me if I'm wrong.

"Brothers in TOE's"

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by baudrunner The baudrunner was born at 11.34 P.M. on June 27, 1953 in a little place called Best about six kilometres north of Eindhoven in the Netherlands. I once did my chart a long time ago by hand before the age of computers and found that I have Venus ascending in Taurus under a full moon. Correct me if I'm wrong. "Brothers in TOE's"

I'm sorry, but I don't see how "Venus ascendung in Taurus under a full moon" can mean anything to anyone. Personally I find Astrology is not far from palm reading and Tarot. I see Astrology is not mechanics but an interpretative art, depending on the flair of the practitioner at best, and an unregulated and potentially dangerous chaos at worst.

Nice to hear from someone born in the Netherlands, I have been so impressed by Dutch people, society, and values, especially practical aesthetics, over the years. Good people to have on the planet, in my view.

Professional Human Design readings are available for a couple of hundred dollars, you will find a list of those who have done their training and paid the annual licence fee on www.jovianarchive.com - Good luck. However the purpose on THIS website is to debate a SINGLE and UNIFIED Theory of Everything. That requires SOME experiential evidence of patterns that arise consistently and a communal refinement of underlying logical sequences, presented within the limitations of words and images.

But for anyone wanting more examples, as data, many sites across the world are presenting Celebrity Human Design (Posh Spice and David Beckham share the "money line" and so on, it is very entertaining...) and Neutrino Weather - the disgraceful acts occurring on September 9 (New York ) and it's exact opposition, the ides of March (Madrid bombing, Allende uprising, and of course Julius Caesar's murder). Of those, the chilling prediction of bird flu a couple of years ago as the FIRST of many many nasty retroviruses, the correct predictions for the invasion of Iraq ahead of time, these made my blood run cold. The industrial revolution and information age are at the heart of Human Design theories, in terms of Global Cycles. Nobody yet seems to have mapped the 20th century wars and fashions but this is mechanics, ALL must fit in science or exceptions explained.

So this is in my view different to Astrology. Astrologers disagree. Empiricists measure and mechanics is what Nasa used, Newtonian laws, to get men to the moon and back. Mechanics.

Is this so difficult to grasp here on this forum? Surely not. Mechanics of objects, yes, blah blah blah. But DO WE REACH CAN WE FIND IS THERE a MECHANICS of CONSCIOUSNESS?

And if so, clearly photons are not involved.

What fluid dynamics, turbulence, and so on, could explain a) a mechanics of consciousness and b) the apparent linkages of consciousness to material forms, and the discontinuities (death, birth, and a review of apparently paranormal anomalies of apparent consciousness and material forms with behaviours impossible to Newton, are these real, is there mechanics?)

Of course neutrinos are too tempting as an ocean bubbling through all material forms, that somehow twists or has turbulence or bubbles that for us, are us, as consciousness, and the consciousness of others.

That is urgent to reconsider. Hydrogen burns to Helium in stars and out rushes photons - visible light and mechanics as we know it, AND neutrinos, passing through all matter, doing what? Doing what?

Yes Saturn or Jupiter might twist the spin and wobble on neutrinos from the background constellations, OK, as a lens. And yes we would experience that lens as a constant distortion. That is not enough.

Human Design appears to link consciousness to material form as if reality as we know it is merely an appearance, a television filmset, in your mind and in mine, and asks us to put aside this photon appearance, and trust another world view. My only LOGICAL conclusion about that worldview, a conclusion I hold alone, is that movement, tranformation, subtance, and structure, which together form our impressions of space and time, are actually generated within our consciousness but may not be any more accurate a model of what is "out there" than whatever goes on in the head of an ant.

That possibility actually frees us to reconsider a dual form of reality, a second and more dominant layer, where there is no light to view what is there. But my instinct, again alone, in thinking this through, is that plants grow from seeds, where that seed falls, they do not get up and walk about.

Both ASTROLOGY and HUMAN DESIGN appear to say, you are tattoed at birth into some fixed path. I dislike that vague idea because it is not mechanics really. Instead, and this is not Human Design, this is my working theory presented here for the first time to anyone, what if from some other "light" or view, that is somehow real, we are seeds planted fixed in the position where our bubble of consciousness (mind) squeezed through into the bubble of material form we call body - and what if we remain there, somehow, as still and unmoved as plants, ah! Then these strange ideas are a basic mechanics. In another landscape, a landscape of consciousness, that interpenetrates this material landscape, as two rippled membranes (Hello Neil Turok in Cambridge University and others with these ideas...) - so a continuing DUALITY instead of the singularity of Hawking and Penrose... in that landscape of consciousness, I certainly feel rooted, still, unmoved since my birth.

What then could be the linkage between consciousness and material form as LANDSCAPES that interface as turbulent membranes, forming bubbles of minds "in" bodies - and perhaps even bubbles of material form trespassing into the liquid/solid whatever is beyond the skin membrane of consciousness...

Well, baudrunner, nice one. My "human design" is to explain, struggle, mutate and care, in RESPONSE to some stimulation, grit in the oyster if you like, that I coat with my essence to make a pearl in my discomfort.

I have never managed to express what I just wrote. Until now. But I have this and more constantly pressing in my mind and awareness like a full bladder. I hope the essence of what I have posted is reasonably sweet.