[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by michellemfry This is wild, that's all I have to say. I await your reply.

Sorry not to have had more time - New Years Eve is a strange time when so many people feel the nonsensical urge to celebrate. I married my wife on Millenium Eve, so in the dialectic of shall we divorce now, which is there in every marriage and certainly likely for us, we spent a glorious gently happy evening together, our 6th anniversary, I hope our last... ending up at the Girls And boYs disco in Canterbury, so full of young attractive people clear about their sensuality and determination to celebrate as individuals outcast from society (notice the capitals in the name of the club...) It was exstatic, electric, I danced like a posessed shaman, and champagne has never tasted so like nectar, my wife is mistaken for Beyonce, as sometimes happens, and a couple of charming men tried to chat me up too. Life is dance.

And digression is the fabric of reality.

Sleep is a doorway. Human Design is about auras, I never felt comfortable sleeping in my own aura, alone that is for 6 feet around you, until recently. Sleep is different when you are untouched not only by the warmth and mood of someone you love, or not, but without even a hint of awareness of THEIR dreams and journey into whatever sleep is. Big subject.

I appear to be awake now, I cannot be sure, if you reply or other signs convince me - the taste of coffee, maple syrup on gluten-free pancakes...

Digression is the fabric of reality, it's so obvious. And so dialectic and for me clearly so fractal. Umbilical, and binary.

But I left out something important in my rapid explanation of your chart yesterday evening. My focus was on the facts and the theory. In that I neglected to be concerned for you as a human being, and that was partly the pressure of time and other distractions here in my life.

I have verbal diaho dia I cannot even spell it. It is my way, it digusts me, but out it flows as I say like a full bladder in my mind, so sorry.

So here is what I wrote for you yesterday in enormous hurry, and then failed to post becuase you actually confirmed there was some accuracy and I was a bit startled by that. It is important, not for the Theory of Everything, but for you as a real person in a real life. Because walls have ears, and the universe works in ways so enfolded I just flow and imagine there is some deeper sense to this, my guts feel, mm, just post this, it is relevant to others on this forum in some way that I cannot understand, for we are ALL people, all in the ALIVENESS of personal lives, and how diverse that is, how to express anything to anyone...

And a Happy New Year, if you either enjoy the celebration and flow of a community of others, OR if you feel any pressure that this dawn is in any way different to any other dawn. It is not, but for the first time in ages, I have allowed myself to be caught up in that essence of prayer and aliveness, after all I married on this day ending one century and looking towards another, this day is mechanically mundane, but I wish you and everyone on this forum, the courage, love, and dynamic energy to survive and enjoy every moment of our next solar cycle.

Here is what I left out of your "reading":

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Michelle – I am an intellectual and not a professional analyst, and rushed out the details too quickly, missing out the overview and the most essential. Maybe.

If you were indeed born at 12 noon in Illinois on that day, or otherwise your chart is what is known as a Manifestor, this is very important, and I forgot, basically your life is very simple. Tell others what you are about to do before you do it. However I cannot recall any "manifestor" asking me for a reading, of course, such people never ask anyone for help, never. So I suspect your birthtime is wrong or you are living some kind of lie, or else it is all just silly nonsense, please tell me which.

This "strategy" – to inform others before you act, seems nonsense to anyone but a manifestor, to whom it is the greatest challenge, really this theory is EXTREME. That 9% of the population have NO IDEA WHO, who, who their actions impact. The "strategy" to "inform" is a trick, it connects "manifestors" to the people they impact in such a way that they finally realise what is going on and going wrong in their life.

So I feel a little unsure, but I never know who might see my attempt at a chart analysis, of course any professional is trained to say this "inform others" stuff first. I have no idea, but just in case, I mention it now.

[baudrunner]

The ultimate aim of reality extrapolators like yourself is to predict. Unfortunately that holy grail will never be encountered, because even as the Universe's greatest psychic is one hundred percent accurate in predicting the six numbers of a weekly lottery draw at the time he predicts them, within minutes the timeline equation has so changed that by the time of the draw he will find himself as much subject to chance as if he had allowed the computer to pick his numbers for him at random. We simply can't win that struggle.

But there's something to the time and place that you are born. Where I grew up we used to keep cats as mousers and to keep them active as predators we didn't spay them. They each usually had two litters a year. We learned from experience that spring kittens are much more desirable to keep than the fall litter.

The human psyche is very mutable, that is, it is easy to convince anyone of almost anything. If we apply this reasoning to the prediction of a person's character and probable future life trends by astrological divination it is possible to develop an entire culture around which every one's lives are predetermined by their beliefs. The Rosicrucian method warns against letting the stars rule your fate. It advises that the information should be used to get positive results. For example, if the prognostic indicators of a person's natal chart indicates a high probability of liver problems in maturity, then one should watch one's diet and stay away from excessive alcohol consumption. Before you laugh, you'd be surprised just how uncannily close to the truth some of these natal charts are about a person's character, personality, and physiology. We're talking thousands of years of human conditioning, remember. A competent professional astrologer can sit down with a perfect stranger and determine from five minutes of conversation what their sign is and to within days the time of year that they were born.

It is the very depth of the awesome concept of consciousness that determines its presence in the first place. Consciousness has dependencies in nature just as much as corporeality has dependencies in nature. Of course it includes photons and other particles because it is energy, if only by virtue of it existing in the first place. All things that exist have particular dependencies, otherwise they woudn't exist. The mind is linked to the spirit, which proof of its existence I can confirm without a doubt. I have said elsewhere in the forums that the spirit is no more miraculous than the corporeality that allows us to define our personal identity and this identity exists in our minds which is linked to the spirit. The contextual nature wherein each exists is also subject to evolution, they are a part of creation. Evolution just acellerates onward. We just happen to be here now. Who knows what lies beyond the spiritual realm?

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by baudrunner The baudrunner was born at 11.34 P.M. on June 27, 1953 in a little place called Best about six kilometres north of Eindhoven in the Netherlands. I once did my chart a long time ago by hand before the age of computers and found that I have Venus ascending in Taurus under a full moon. Correct me if I'm wrong. "Brothers in TOE's"

Ok Baudrunner I checked your chart because of how you posted about Fractal Dialectics. So you have the channel of judgement, that seemed too obvious, plus the channel of social transformation, if indeed your birth time is as you say. In your place, I am a cynical empirical, I would give false birth data, just to try a blind test to see if this really works. Which is one reason why I didn’t want to do your chart. Another reason is I have decided to start a divorce, life is messy, I am not nourished in my marriage and it is time to move on. I know not where nor how.

But here very briefly is an overview of the chart for the date you supplied, you can obtain the chart online try www.newsunware.com if you prefer German, Roos in Amsterdam is one of the nicest people I met and one of the longest in Human Design, if you want advice in Dutch, tell her I recommended you, you will find her I am sure on the list of professionals at www.jovianarchive.com In Canada I have no idea, but Human Design is run by a Canadian, Alan Robert Krakower, now known as Ra Uru Hu. Bless you. Sorry I thought someone sneezed.

The specific quality I have found in all the charts of people here in this forum, a feature I consider to be odd, is the gateless centre, and you lead the field with no less than three gateless centers. Challenging life? But you are now in your prime, only other’s don’t know that.

Nobody seems to recognise you or who you are, and you have spent your life, as I have, seeking love and a sense of direction, (gateless G centre). Trial and error has been the flavour of your life, but others have blamed you for everything, generally completely misjudging you at first sight, then abruptly changing their minds about you, and the overall feeling of all your life is Bitterness. Sorry to say, there is nothing personal about Human Design. Whenever you find someone genuinely recognises your true qualities and values, and they invite you to do something, your life starts to flow. Until then it has been a long long long wait, and your frantic attempts to draw attention to yourself often misfire - so this chart says.

I should have spotted that from our encounter – the channel of judgement, yeah, I can spot a nagging critic, but you are truly here to improve the quality of things and as I entered the flavour of writing back to your post, I got that by intuition so my calibration is improving it seems, slowly. I even recognised your true value and then invited you to assist me, so I have to say, this is what Human Design says is correct in the encounter between you and me. Best of all, you thought I was a waste of space here and I did not feel at all that I wanted to do your chart. This is known in Human Design as the projection field and occurs with the sun in any hexagram in line 5 – My personality sun is in line 5 and my projection field here on this forum has now collapsed after an overrated entry, nothing to do about it, I prefer meeting people who take an instant dislike, for when they drop that, we get on fine. So you too tend to be seen as the saviour or gatecrasher on first arrival into anyone's life, then suddenly all that flips to the binary, either way, normally form hero to villain. Your design sun is in line 5 (the heretic) of the hexagram of opinions (17) and your design earth is in line 5 of the hexagram of correcting what is spoilt (18) and I am quite chuffed personally to have seen through your dismissal of my unfortunately badly expressed work and without even thinking about Human Design – lot on my mind at present – I acted "correctly" in inviting you to correct my spoilt work!!! I like my intuition. Your personality sun is in 52 the still mountain so you probably feel stuck and immobilised and trapped, personality earth in the gate of Joy 58 which is a binary - everything is a binary in HD - and the binary of Joy is Criticism and nagging. 58 and 18 form the channel of judgement. Remember that ALL possible processes and everything is condensed into a digital linguistics of just 64 concepts, and comparing this to the number of words on the dictionary, we do not see Joy and Criticism as in any way connected. The fact is that someone who is experiencing joy inside in a world that is a mess outside them, will be perceived as critical, nag nag nag. Your inner joy leads you to express exactly what you see as blocking your joy outside you and we don't like that, it gets right on our tits. Another linguistic feature is the distinction between the channel of social transformation which you have and the channel of (physical and personal) mutation which I have and you do not. If I go to Asia now, as I plan, I have the channel that mutates bird flu and so on, it is a responsibility, it is also the channel that mutates people to make the antibodies or whatever, so that is binary – all is binary in human design, everything, everything, and then again everything, umbilically linked binary structures from original asymmetries split over and over in the mathematics of a tree – or river, a dendritic structure, that can also be viewed as the YiJing or a sine wave and so on. But I digress. I'd like to say that of course I have the hexagram of digression, but, there is no such thing, but you may be delighted and amused that I have the gate of deafness. There is even a gate of masturbation but I am not telling which one that is and just cos I am so grumpy today I don't give a .... there is a gate colloquially known as the gate of f....... ing. Isn't Human Design unbelievable? Incidentally you do not have the gate of masturbation on the contrary you have the gate of sociability - 22, very different mechanic.

Your other defined channel is about recognising and developing talent needed for the tribal society – such as this forum, which is cute.

If you do get this chart online you will see everything else is in white with a few small lines here and there. This means have reached an age of wisdom, 50 is the new 20, you are in your prime in a world gone mad. Get plenty of rest. Make no promises to anyone ever - your heart and digestion are at risk every time you make or break a commitment, the simple solution is to be honest that you INTEND to be somewhere and you INTEND to see someone at this or that appointment, 70% of people in Human Design will fry their heart and demolish their digestion by promises they cannot keep (like turning up to work... think of that as a theory, and if it is empirically correct, are heart disease and digestion problems common - yes, check the chart for white heart centres). Your liver cannot take much alcohol or drugs either. We know that you always draw attention to yourself, and you probably take care of your appearance, or did once, until you felt just too bitter about life. Everyone else so powered up and your tongue so tied and so blurting, your mind so anxious and your pretense to be certain of things you are unsure of, according to this chart, all of this, ask a professional and they will just say I am not gentle but I am not here to do charts and I told you that.

You are susceptible to the toxic emotions of other people near you, which always tend to uncsoncsiously trigger either sociable or anti-social behaviour (Gate 22 – there is some connection to the six monthly disgraceful behaviours of September 9 and March 9 Madrid and various historical disgraces on both these dates of the annual Sun Earth opposition hitting hexgram 22. But the way HD uses the word Gate but it just means hexagram, from the YiJing.)

I am tired and have enough of explaining – so I am stopping writing and maybe it is time change that smiling photograph into something more suitable as my image here.

By the way, I tend to take on the flavour of other people by some psychic doorway I cannot find a way to shut. Tell me straight, have you been drinking? No that is not human design, at all, that is me feeling tired and I only have mineral water, but maybe I am just tired. Sorry if I have spoken out of a less than wonderful mood, life is life. I hope nobody else asks for their damn chart. Pass the Kalashnikov...

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by baudrunner The ultimate aim of reality extrapolators like yourself is to predict.

I have no idea what a reality extrapolator is and I am sure I am very different to the idea you formed in your head. I have recently predicted something based on very strong evidence, that whoever writes the best seller on Human Design for the masses will make a lot of money when the gossip magazines pick up on how many celebrities will be making it fashionable this year.

Given the intellectual barrenness of most so called professionals in Human Design - I seek outside brains capable of solid and rational thought to demolish what we can in Human Design, it will not be much though, handle with gloves.

There does seem to be something in Astrology but my quarell with it is that different astrologers argue over interpretations, and my conclusion is that it takes artistry and subtlety to interpret an astrological chart. Tough. Quite good maybe but not good enough, so moving on...

Human Design claims to have no such art in the content, only in the gentleness you use or not - the ecliptic is divided not into 12 as with astrology but nearly 70,000 distinct divisions of which I use 64 and professional analysts use 384 divisions. The ultimate division of time and space in Human Design is the width of a single neutrino. That is very very very tiny indeed.

The division of the year into 384 creates a new unit of time - the hexagram alignment, about every 22 hours which varies slightly according to the elliptical orbit of the earth - these are subtended angles of rotation. In effect Human Design has not daylight, it maps a second heavier invisible ocean of something that is not light - the ocean of neutrinos. Human Design divides space and time by angles of rotation, fomring 64 then 384 then more apparently fixed equidistant radial ripples.

Ultimately these 384 lines are then subdivided into 6 shifts of about 3-4 hours named colours, and so I make a second prediction, or rather a challenge. We can DEMOLISH OR PROVE Human Design within a few months by observing reality in every place from towns to the rainforest progress through these shifts or colours each of about 3-4 hours. So according to HD theory, the whole way that all forms of consciousness in material form on this planet, all shifts flavour every 3-4 hours timed by the regular clock of our solar orbit. And the sequence is 1. Fear 2. Hope, 3. Desire, 4. Need, 5. Guilt and 6. Innocence. Remember the rotation of the earth has apparently no significance whatsoever in Human Design, none.

If Human Design is correct, the world shifts through these exact motivations en mass, all living things, and there would be some evidence surely of this. We could print out the list of time changes this day week or month, calculated from Nasa data.

We could even construct as it were a wrist watch with these timings, and notice for example those moments when shopping malls get suddenly quiet, align to the shifts on the "colour watch" or we have found for me the first element of utter dogma that makes us very wary about the whole thing.

So far I have to report that emprically, some things have changed at these precise moments. Sufficient to consider a wider experiment.

Basically we need uninfluencable changes in crowd behaviour, or animals, and if Human Design is so real, these timings apply to ALL conscious life forms, without exception.

And if we do find any actual empirical evidence of these 22 and a bit hour alignment cycles which are the FABRIC of every Human Design chart reading, we have a new paradigm shift for science and about bloody time too. A single mechanics for consciousness and material form.

Oh it does rather make free will logically impossible - if Human Design is correct.


Recklessly

Ruthlessly

Passionately

seeking truth

Mike 5

[baudrunner]

I guess reality extrapolators pick apart the fabric of reality slash space-time in order to better understand it and our place in it. Dialectics is a method. I also think that it is a formidable task because in quantum physics all particles can exist in the same place at the same time and the timeline is fixed only with respect to this practical three dimensional framework wherein we find ourselves analyzing it, beyond which the realm of possibilities is infinite so we are forever restricted to observing history according to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle which applies because our frame of reference is limited to our context, the present, so even if all logic points to a prediction the viewing of it is out of its context and Heisenberg says that we cannot predict.

Human Design seems a very fascinating diversion for the underutilized intellect. I may very well look into it myself. Incidentally I don't do horoscopes anymore. I used to enjoy the challenge but now you can buy a ten dollar software package that does it for you and it's all just so trite.

[baudrunner]

I admire people who put a lot of work into things, things like human design divination, then I find out that all the work was done by a computer programmer, something I can relate too because I used to do that for a living. There's no mental exercise like it. If just one character is out of place in the millions that you put into your code then the whole thing comes crashing down when you try to execute the product. Life is more forgiving.

So I went to the site and anticipate viewing the result. It seems that Human Design Divinators are a generous lot. They'd make good hackers.

I don't mind people reading my human design profile. The data I gave you is correct, inidentally. The data you gave back is about as accurate as an astrological reading. Only astrology tells me that my troubles will be in my lower abdomen, not my liver. And I don't know about the relevance of that masturbation gate, a girl once told me that 85% of women masturbate, the other 15% lie about it. I think the same probably goes for men. All the men I have known who adamantly deny it also have the squintiest eyes.

Sorry to hear about your messy life. Chalk it up to a learning experience. I suppose there is running away from it , but not altogether, unless you assume a new identity and take on a different citizenship. Why don't you come to Canada? You can be Pete. ( We have free health care, too.)

By the way, I tend to take on the flavour of other people by some psychic doorway I cannot find a way to shut. Tell me straight, have you been drinking?

I'd have to say that's almost reaching at straws, Mike. Canada has one of the highest per capita alchohol consumption rates in the world. So it's a fair bet to guess that you're probably right, or wrong. As a matter of fact when I do drink, it's after I shut the computer off. so I guess not. Psychic doorways are portals one can choose to enter or not. Sometimes psychic perception is not a gift so much as a curse. Don't go there if you don't want to be shunned and abandoned. The old eating from the tree of knowledge thing is a part of our genetic code, programmed by conditioning. If you do come to Canada I prefer strong beer.

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Hi Mike; It seems your 60 days are up and none of your predictions came to pass. Though many may find your system entertaining and amusing, I do not believe it is going to qualify as a scientific endeavor nor do I expect it to replace astrology.

I am just posting Dave's comments which I perceive to be on Human Design, the topic of this thread, but they seem to be out of place in the Mathematical Conjecture/Theorem topic of Fractal Dialectics.

To be clear, the Human Design System is a copyright system owned by a rich corporation, so cannot be a science if the originator speaks of theft of "his Voice's" ideas - by law all science is collectively owned. And by esoterics his "revelation" was for everyone, he is just OUR messengerm and the carrier pigeon used by a greater intelligence, so I heard.

Look I like the guy, he is funny, and I certainly feel increasing confidence to be myself and drop the mask of being what others like, and with such improvements, that's OK by me. Now, is it science? It will be. It will be when I've finished with it.


HDS is fascinating and infuriating, it is a vast puzzle for those who like their Rubiks cube as fluid as Salvador Dali's paintings of a watch. It passes the time of day well, and so far as I can tell, appears DISTURBINGLY empirically accurate. Secondly it is a trap - certainly you get sucked into the topic - you find yourself believing, then slap yourself awake and test it, then the tests correlate, ultimately it is a hoot, you just watch your mind tango itself and realise, I am ALIVE! This is IT! So people can experience spiritual awakening merely because logical thinking gets overloaded, and that can be very nice too.

In contrast Fractal Dialectics is mine. It is not legal to patent a scientific system nor a mathematical one, and I did try. I suppose as soon as I explain it I no longer own it therefore. Life. I was tempted to convince Hewlett Packard to fund industrial applications, but went to see Angkor Wat instead and felt really ALIVE!

The link is that Human Design is simpler if you let go of Cartesian ideas - and in that it is closer to Fractal Dialectics, but just as there are many uses of mathematics, there are many many uses of Fractal Dialectics nothing to do with the topic in this thread Human Design.

Fractal Dialectics arose from a method I devised for a new form of audio synthesis from too much time spent editing digital audio, and I thought hold on, these wiggles within wiggles repeat themselves stylistically as well as by standard Fourrier Analysis. So it was spooky to see that Human Design independently uses a similar mathematical structure, characterised by regularity where FD is explicitly irregular to map the true forms and mechanics of nature. However HDS raises the stakes - it claims a single mechanics of consciousness AND material forms and how they are jxutaposed yet remain inertly separate. I personally doubt that regularity is even possible for consciousness, but I have a mathematical system that maps anything, so whoopee! Meanwhile I watch HDS ready to snatch the jewelled crown of public appeal, it is damn clever, it uses BELIEF where I use empiricism, wish I'd thought of that.

The other major difference is that Human Design claims space and time are homogenous on a radial grid from specific points of cognition, that is my interpretation today. Fractal Dialectics makes no assumption that space and time are at all homogenous - the actual bumps are features of whatever analogue landscape you look at form the natural and only real features of that landscape - there is no grid reference whatsoever, only the features described within observations as ranged dialectics - so the peak of Everest and the mid atlantic trench form the natural dialectic range of up and down for the phenomena of the physical earth surface in Fractal Dialectics, and then other extremes map all other ranges and qualities and we have no specific need for any grid, radial nor cartesian.

Human Design assumes a radial grid or roulette wheel for time AND space within this solar system as a fabric where consciousness and material form encounter each other. However these are my personal interpretations of Human Design as it might appear in school text books and so on IF logical analytical minds replaced the bunny wabbits who are currently too high on their own kites to care about the underlying structural maths.


Very useful contribution Dave. Grit in the oyster. I would not dare to share without you taunting me, so now I said it, I see Human Design as a radial cognitive view of space and time. I think. God I wish I could be sure of words the way I play chords on the piano, that is truth, truth truth and words are jus fluff fluff fluff.

[Mike 5]

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