[Mike 5]

I have bitten off more that I can chew in a mad plan for empirical research into heterogenous space and time.

I asked some of the power posters here on TOE quest for their accurate date time and place of birth. These are the charts from a new system and software called Human Design. I am not sure how much to say about this, it is basically so ludicrously impossible, there should be not one iota of relevence in these charts.

Here they are:

[Mike 5]

Here is my own chart in this Human Design System. So let me explain a little about this and what is unusual about these pioneers on the TOE QUEST.

All the charts of the most actively interested in TOE here, so far, have one interesting rare feature in common. A white centre without any little lines attached.

The coloured centres are where each person broadcasts to others. Human Design is based on neutrinos with mass as a single mechanism for consciousness and material form. Neutrinos are interpreted as "reality" through two special devices, and in the poverty of language, no suitable words available, these are called "crystals" of "consciousness". The Personality Crystal is who you think you are, the numerical data and subdata on the right. The large number is from the Chinese YiJing, numbered at random from 1 to 64. I say randomly until proven otherwise, for these map into binary numbers 000000 to 111111 in what I call a fractal dialectic sequence. These 64 hexagrams replace the zodiac like a vast roulette wheel of constellations in the sky. Each hexagram has 6 separate subdivisions, making 384 basic stellar positions.

The right hand column is the position of the planets at the moment of birth. The left hand column is the position 88 degrees of earth orbit earlier. That 88 degrees of orbit (just less than a right angle, so about 3 months) varies in time and space with the elliptical orbit of the earth. If you were born in May, your personality is a plant forever rooted still at that moment, you are still somehow there despite our perception of reality and movement. Even stranger to imagine, your actual physical body in the real world is rooted in February, before you were born, and will be until you die.

The symmetry of the two lists of data begs the question - is my body, someone elses thought? Are my thoughts actually the body of some real person? Mathematically, my conclusion is yes.

Every white centre sucks in toxins and nutrition. Between the ages of 40 and 50 the general flow of energy reverses and you may have great wisdom in those white centres, until then, it can be a rough ride.

In Human Design the human specied evolved sometime during the years 1781 to 1881 from the 7 chakra Hindu energy system to this 9 energy centre structure. There was no choice about this, Human Design is a godless mechanics for atheists who are happy to channel and meet spirits and reach the bliss of "awakening" in a clockwork playground with no God.

The 64 hexagrams form 36 channels mostly as binary pairs and the energy flows along these in response to your environment, especially living beings within 6 feet (the aura is a neutrino interaction through solid matter between living beings, generally a bubble 12 feet across). In Human Design every activated hexagram exists in your DNA. Your genes drive you to find what you are not. To seek the white areas in your own chart and avoid others defined as you are. But at birth some channels are completed making life long short circuits and those centres are blinded, fixed, and broadcast generally toxic but occasionally nutritious neutrino vibes within 6 feet.

Over time and with the continuing map of planets focussing the neutrinos from specific constellations digitally cut into 64 "gates" out there in space, all is mechanical and there is no choice to any action, thought, word, birth, death, and the place of death is where your Personality Crystal takes a trajectory through space to enter again mechanically by clockwork reincarnation.

As well as a "Design Crystal of Consciousness" and a "Personality Crystal of Consciousness", in Human Design all objects have a magnetic monopol, in humans in the sternum, yet to be discovered by science. This is said to "hold us together in the illusion of our separateness". Whatever that means. Effectively you are consciousness stuck in a meat vehicle running in tramlines in space. You will meet who you meet and have the delusion you choose actions and so on, but it is a program, with no God, and in that you can awaken spiritually by sitting back and just watching the ride, without taking anything personally.

And that is my introduction to the Human Design System

[Mike 5]

Now I want to use the graphics I have previously uploaded to comment on each chart. Thought I'd start with Guillermo.

Um. Do I have to load each chart individually again?

How does this work

[mkirkpatrick]

You seem to have put a lot of hard work into this project Mike,would you be able to explain it a tad more to me,at the moment I do not underststand it.
look forward to more detail.






kind regards michael.

[Mike 5]

It is 6am and I have awoken after a troubled sleep. The project I started here on TOE quest has left me disturbed, moody, and a little depressed.

I find the results inconclusive. Two things set me back greatly. One is that since I joined this forum, I have been criticised. I consider these to be justified, and feel I should give up this quest as I clearly am unable to see straight. I know I am onto something, but I lack the pure qualities of a machine.

Secondly, the most impressive success, oddly, was mistaken.

Thirdly the recurring "gateless" centre in each of these charts, is so technical, I am not sure that I can explain it. I only know statistically this is remarkable, but I feel very frail intellectually.

Here is the reply from one of the power posters, at which point I collapsed, thinking why bother. For my hard work to be mistaken for Astrology, which I have never learnt or used, made me realise whatever I said, my personality and the personality of the reader would sabotage any hope of finding truth.

Mike; Thank you for taking the time to demonstrate your system. I find it satisfying to find out that there has been no basic changes in my chart for over 35 years. I am from the generation of flower children and, like you, I learned to create and read astrological charts. As I said, I am an analytical person; I found the tricks to this type of analogy many years ago. If you study the physiology of human behavior and social science, you will no longer need to go through the rigors of producing charts. You will develop the talent to evaluate individuals within 15 minute of casual conversation or from the material of their writing.

And here is the chart reading I had sent. Feeling some pressure on all this, I started at midnight at completed this around 1h30am. Basically transcribing from the computer screen in front of me. Which is my whole point – this is not me, this is mechanics. Why would I care to develop a casual talent to evaluate anyone? This chart was produced using a date 3 months before birth, apparently producing the 60% accuracy of an astrology reading using only the date of birth? Huh?

In essence, you are here to lead, and to mutate, and judgement is a strong theme in your life. Your leadership is the classical alpha style, a respected authority, hexagram 7 line 4 The General "Leadership whose authority must be absolute and is sanctioned by society in times of crisis" and also line 2 The Democrat. Do you talk a lot? Your conversation might contain these ideas: "I lead" (7 The Alpha) ; "I perfect or practise a technique" (16 Enthusiasm Line 4 The leader (again!) and line 2 The cynic; "I am present" (20 line 6 Wisdom: "The establishment for the benefit of society, values, ideals and their patterns and how they canb be understood and applied"); "I own or possess" (45 The gatherer line 4 Direction "the expression of higher principles on the material plane"); "I may try that" (12 Caution line 2 Purification "The expression of disciplined social caution"; and line 6 Metamorphosis "Faith in and energy applied towards change and the emergence from standstill"); and "I believe" (56 Stimulation Line 6 Caution "Honesty in expression, living by one’s word"). These are all binary themes, you might also tell what you do not (yet) own, what you refuse to believe etc. So do you talk or take action more than most people? Are these themes in your life? This flowing energy cluster is linked to two more attributes: 46 Determination of the Self "Good fortune that may be perceived as the result of serendipity but derives from effort") Line 4 Impact "the ability, once recocgnized, to move rapidly from a position of obscurity to influence"); and "gate" 13 The Listener "Universal ideas and values in an ordered framework which inspires humanistic co-operation") Line 2 Bigotry: "The risk, always present, that fellowship can only exist for a particular type, whether racial, religious, national, or intellectual"). Now to the second cluster which is basically mutation "Energy which fluctuates and initiates, Pulse". With this in your chart, you are a gateway to change, you always like what is new, you are always changing somehow, and people around you tend to either resist and dislike you, or they tend to change too. It is often uncomfortable, even unwelcome, socially. This has several more flavours or "gates": 53 Beginnings, so you are great at starting things but not good at finishing what you start "Development as a structured progression that is both steadfast and enduring". Line 5 Assertion four long paragraphs in the text here, um, at random I’ll pick the shortest: "Where the energy for beginnings attracts the very forces that can abort them" – but there are three alternative texts to explain this binary range from an "often psychic recognition of the intrinsic values of development, that …". There is very likely another "channel" or third complete energy flow in your chart (mutation; leadership; and judgement). Assuming you have that judgement channel, it is "a design of insatiability". Next in this irregular and pulsing mutational cluster is 41 Contraction "the limitation of resources" Line 6 Contagion: "the law that the maximisation of potential not only ends decrease but inveitably such transcendence benefits…" uh? "The father whose success will benefit his children"? Excuse me while I shift to a clearer reference book, the software has gone all impenetrable. Here this is simpler "People who are driven by the incessant urge to experience a new feeling". "This is the gate of fantasy – these people constantly fantasise about having new experiences – an impulse to do something new … a thirst for destiny. A restlessness as though something new is beginning" - but not clear as to what. Finally in this mutation cluster is 54 ambition Line 6 Selectivity… OK so all of that is the coloured areas of your chart supposedly WHO YOU TRULY ARE. Here is the inverse, the white areas, what you have focussed on and sought in your life, leading ultimately to either great wisdom or else pointless suffering: After many years perhaps avoiding conflict and truth, maybe you now know the range of human desires and experiences. You would perhaps have married and sought relationships with passionate or emotional people. Next, if you had to make commitments and keep promises in your career or social life, your heart and digestion may have become damaged - this applies to 70% of people, those with the heart centre in white, and the Human Design solution is extreme - never commit or promise anything, no contracts. etc. Conceptually, this chart is open to ideas from other people, but generally these ideas are inconsistent, leading to anxiety in examinations and tests, and the following styles of thoughts: self-oppression (47.3) Being deaf when opportunity knocks (24.6); The courage to admit the mistakes of the past (24.5) and (4.5) the potential to succeed through the understanding of others. Human Design distinguishes a mental pressure or inspiration that drives conceptual thought, in this chart and 70% of charts leading to "obsession with ideas that do not matter". The chart also shows many years of things going wrong in early life, a withdrawn period in your 40s, and then an individualistic path which if you survive, impresses others. There is a natural shyness too, that gets called out to some "vocation". Well, that is it. In great detail because you have the life experience to judge these details with a fine tooth comb.

[Mike 5]

The chart that fascinates me the most in this collection of power posters is Robert. I am new here, but I get the idea that Robert created this whole quest thing. Thank you.

But the chart is a man of silence! Look at the throat! Not a single voice. Robert, can I have the dates you were most active and most vocal here? Was there a particular person in your life then? This chart is a devoted family man (47-30) who may needs others to feel complete (depending on the exact time of birth)

Robert’s defined channels are community and moodiness. He has not divulged his time of birth – moody and silent maybe, but if born at midday the moon defined a channel of abstract thought. If so Robert has one island of energy low down – but the only conscious consistent flow is community, community. And another far away, remote, most charts have a split but this is a DEEP split.

Both the significant squares are white. That absence of both makes Robert tired, overworked, but he is not here to work, but to guide and unite others.

Which is what essentially he does!

Taking the cluster of community and moodiness, and these are words, let me clarify from a reference book here "the secret to your life is to learn to appreciate the lows as much as the highs. When you can let go of wanting to control love, only then will you experience the freedom you seek" – well. Also called the channel of Stimulation. If Human Design is right Robert, melancholy is a trigger to be Creative. It is grit in the oyster of a human being, and you make a new pearl – music, dance, cooking, writing, plenty of Creativity in this chart.

Here goes, keynoting is where you string together ONLY words that each reflect a gate or channel in a cluster. It’s like doing a puzzle. Here’s one way to describe this chart, maybe it also describes Robert:

A moody (39-55) immobile (52) ambitious (54) warrior (38 ) beginning (53) a shocking (51) community (37-40).

A family man (37-40) initiating (51 & 53) a fixed (52) ambition (54) to stimulate (39-55) the search for principles (38 ).

The upper cluster depends on the moon completing hexagram 47 (the gate of realising).

A doubting (63) believer (11) using visual memories or images (47-64). Or, someone who questions (63) abstract (64-47) beliefs or theories (11).

[dleviwing]

Mike;
WHAT PART OF THE CONCEPT OF "PRIVATE MESSAGE" DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

I am glad nothing personal was said in PM with you!

I have no objections to you posting the chart, only the PM.

[Mike 5]

My profound apologies. It was wrong to post your private comments David.

My Broadband box actually packed up too-as if in shock and protest, around 3pm GMT yesterday. So today I am in an internet cafe - incredibly my supplier will not restore service for several days so ironically I am indeed being punished.

I will post separately on how strange yesterday was.

Originally Posted by dleviwing Mike; WHAT PART OF THE CONCEPT OF "PRIVATE MESSAGE" DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick You seem to have put a lot of hard work into this project Mike,would you be able to explain it a tad more to me,at the moment I do not underststand it. look forward to more detail. kind regards michael.

There is a sociology and psychology to talking about truth. Fail the tribal tests and nobody cares. That is a barrier, but never mind.

Human Design Theory is about the diversity of time and space through neutrinos. These are subatomic particles from stars produced in the hydrogen to helium conversion along with visible light. Matter is full of space but not generally transparent to light with notable exceptions- air, water, ice, a few strucured solid forms of carbon silicon etc. All matter is transparent to neutrinos. But is everything equally transparent to neutrinos - how can we say? My interpretation of Human Design is that consciousness AND material forms are both mechanical through specific interactions with neutrinos. So motion and matter for example - for all we know, are standing waves on a neutrino ocean. The shock in Human Design is to have NO CHOICE in what you think, or do, it is all mechanics and certain natural phenomena - cosmic and local - co-incide to form a maia or illusion of reality.

Your Human Design chart is your DNA, which twists or wobbles the neutrinos tomake an aura of neutrino interaction extending 6 feet beyond each person or animal. White areas are where you recieve the neutrinos - coloured areas are where your DNA broadcasts and you cannot receive neutrino information.

Human Design is for me beautifully mathematical, using the Chinese YiJing in a recursive origam order that is circular. That order is said to be actually "out there" in space and a unique jumbled up (like a rubik cube?) version is "in here" inside you and inside me, again I am expressing this my way.

Because each person has a unique version of reality (again for me this is THE multiverse), well, your life is physically and experientially a unique universe.

The empirical proof varies for each person. Here is one example. Ironically, I had a LOUSY day yesterday,woken at 6am, upset upset upset and you can see that frommy postings throughout that day. Really off balance.

Coming up to 3pm on a hunch I checked the position of the planets. Sure enough the moon was just in a place in the orbit that has produced this same crappy Michael before. Just before 6am, and until 3 pm, the moon was in hexagram 49, rejection and sponsorship, the gate of the butcher. In my Human Design chart, I have a red line from the base brown square pointing up the the right, 19 which is a very needy, provocative, ratchet energy, exploding without reasons pent up emotions held back. 19 always seeks the 49 in the emotional centre - the triangle on the right. in my chart the 19 is in red - my blood, my body, my unconscious, this is nothing I can think through. Until it reached line six (of six segments or lines) around 2pm, then clarity set in, I woke up feeling, what am I doing, what is happening?

I had this time severely transgressed the rules here, posting a private message without persmission, I was feeling wretched and I wanted to provoke, which is the specific energy of the 19, and I did find rejection.

This is mechanics. Check the position of the moon yourself. I truly dislike Astrology, which makes all this worse for me, personally, I only wanted to prove this was crap and here I am three years later still somehow trying to prove or disprove it. But 19 is just past midway in the astronomical constellation of Aquarius.

Well at least the coffee is good in this internet cafe.

[Mike 5]

Antonio has a complex chart. There is a structure on the left of the chart, a crossroads known as the integration channels. The three hexagrams defined 57 34 and 20 form a complex of three channels:

57-20 The Brainwave = a design of awareness

34-20 Charisma – a design where thoughts must become deeds

57-34 Power = the design of an archetype

All this links through to 46-29 Discovery – a design of succeeding where others fail

And 59-6 Mating – a design focussed on reproduction

Words words words. The cake of ALL possible processes and meanings is subdivided into well 32, with some messy crumbs, but each slice of the cake is not in the support of some large dictionary. No, the ENTIRE range of meanings and processes are here, so these words are not in any way adequate to the task Mating is more usually called Intimacy. It operates through the line values elsewhere on the chart known as Profile: line 3 Bonds Made and Broken and unconciously line 5 Seduction, in this chart.

So keynoting time. Let me see.

You are discovering the power of intimate charismatic brainwaves.

You have powerful brainwaves spawning success through action.

Your success comes from powerful charisma and putting brainwaves into action.

A warm and charismatic genius discovering his power; An action hero ally whose brainwave fails where others succeed.

Take from all that whatever you want, that is basic keynoting. Note the reverse thrust of logic here - not the nitpicking ever finer cutting into atoms, instead the blending into plasticine forms as tentacles of meaning coagulate - succeeding where others fail = failing where others succeed. Human Design is always binary, duality, if power is a theme then sometimes (extreme) lack of power is there but still, something sticks out from a compariative blandness in others.

There are an amazing 11 hexagrams joined onto this complex flow. I don't have time to go beyond the basic words here.

In the Throat: 62 Detail (voice I name); 23 Explanation (voice: I know); 35 Progress (Voice: I Change).

In the identity centre: 7 The army – role of the self; 15 Modesty – the gate of extremes; 2 Receptive – Direction of the Self; 46 Determination

In the spleen (instinct): 32 Recognition/Duration/continuity; 18 Correction – work on what has been spoilt.

In the Sacral (work/effort): 42 Completion/Increase/Growth

In the Solar Plexus (Experiences/Emotions): 55 Abundance/Spirit/Moods

The neo-cortex (concepts) has no specific gateways and is open to all thoughts.

The Crown centre (inspiration) is open to all inspiration which are in every case experienced as 61 Mystery or Inner truth.

Willpower of others is always experienced as needing to be first 51 and aloneness 40.

Others bring a sense of urgency experienced as immobility or inaction 52 and decrease/contraction/the urge to experience a new feeling 41.

A life time of trial and error (profile 3/5) probably being recognised for what you are not and then punished for failing to meet deluded expectations of others.

So that is a basic chart reading for Antonio.

There is one other way to keynote, which is to link together the problems occuring in the white parts of the chart: See my post in the Psychology section of TOE on The Alien Guide to Abusing Humans…

Pretending to be certain; Obsessed with things that don’t matter; Always trying to prove and improve himself; In a hurry to be free. Do you want that inverse keynoting too? As before you can link in the attached hexagrams, obsessed with mysteries, needing to come first and be apart from others, deluded that concepts are fixed in stone, immobilised by fantasy, that sort of stuff.

Of course it would be absurd and impossible for any calculation from a date three months before birth to apply in reality, this would be for amusement only, surely?