[Rufus]

About six months ago I posted a rudimentary TOE and have since completed it to the point that I now have a website dedicated to what I have called "Figmentalism". The term is little used and I have employed it to refer to the age-old clash between artists/poets and scientists. For some reason this discussion was called Idealism vs Realism but I find the former to be a poor description of the point of view of say, Plato and many others, so I have taken the liberty to rename it.

There is a resurgence, lately, of Idealists/Figmentalists and even scientists have come to realize that nothing can be studied without affecting the outcome of the experiment by human intervention. Simply put Figmentalism states that we (humanity) were not derived from insentient matter, but the reverse is the case. Collectively we create the reality we experience and presently all of science supports this theory by default. Reality has not been proved and matter has not been separated from energy as was expected with the use of cyclotrons. What has been referred to as quarks simply decay and leave no physical trace, therefore it is obvious that matter equals energy and our present concept of the two is quite incorrect.

Realizing that matter, itself, does not exist independently of human concept has caused "The Laws of Reality" to be written, finally. There are probably some minor errors in these laws but generally they is no real argument against them. They encompass the one an only TOE that will eventually be adopted by all. Beyond this there remains almost as many questions as before, but this is a good foundation toward the understanding of reality.

The Laws of Reality
All of reality including time is utterly elastic.
All of reality is collectively generated by the living and non-living mass of nature.
Time is only a concept and can have no beginning nor end.
The universe is composed of solid, liquid and gaseous objects that have no intrinsic constituent of matter.
Existence must have a balance with non-existence. (this is the fundamental paradox law and can be said in reverse.)
A thing must be able to both exist and not exist at the same time. (simultaneously)
Any event or combination of events must be possible without the need of matter of any kind.
The mind appreciates the Earth and is the Earth.
The Cosmos are created of apparency.
Namron Soar

http://my.tbaytel.net/nsoar/

It should be mentioned that Plato was the first Idealist (recorded) and figmentalism is just another word for that concept (without all the bs involved).
I believe that the realists (those that believe and tout that material came before us) are the ones that caused the term 'Idealism' to become so nebulous.

Figmentalism isn't really a belief so much as being the idea of not believing in matter-borne reality. I see the things about me and know them as projections of our collective mind, not things that have created us.

Ross N R Owen
Namron Soar
Rufus the most evil .........................{Go(o)d plus (D)evil}
God ..............................................(if we create our own destiny)

[harmonygirl]

Rufus, generally I find myself in line with Platonic philsophers (Aristolean ones seem to be always to need to get lost in language). I am glad you said recorded in your post, as I understand that Socrates was taught by a woman from somewhere outside the polis (but I forget where she was from and her name!)For me this is the fundamental difference--do you believe reality is what you see or what you can't see?

[Rufus]

Harmonygirl. If you run across a link in the future about the woman that you speak of, let me know. I have had very strong female influences in my life. Both my daughters have always treated me as an equal, not to mention their Grandmother artist and matriarch.

Reality is collectively what we see. That which we cannot see only resides in our memories and plans (mentally only). My website contains a few errors that I will correct when I figure them out but most questions have been answered there several times over. Translation has lost much of what Plato had to say besides our language is much different than in those times. I feel I have captured what Plato was all about (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

http://my.tbaytel.net/nsoar/

[harmonygirl]

Oooohhh Rufus, I'm pretty sure I don't agree with you but first I need to clarify what you mean by "collectively what we see". We don't all see the same things, but even if we did, could we all be having a collective delusion? Just because you and I agree there is a cat, does that mean there is a cat?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Oooohhh Rufus, I'm pretty sure I don't agree with you but first I need to clarify what you mean by "collectively what we see". We don't all see the same things, but even if we did, could we all be having a collective delusion? Just because you and I agree there is a cat, does that mean there is a cat?

Harmonygirl

This world we live in is one of two things or perhaps 'states'. Either the world/universe is comprised of matter that created us through the primordial sea theory without the guidance of a thinking entity....or....We are the thinking entity that creates reality on a regular basis. Since no intrinsic matter has ever been found, the only alternative is that We create ourselves and it has to be on a collective basis. This can be complex and difficult to understand. Humans, and I prefer to include the living and non-living mass of nature, are collectively ONE thing or entity and although we go through our lives as individuals, this is a deliberate blindness that we place upon ourselves in order to enjoy life. ESP is a leak in this system. I am you. I am your Goddess and you are my God. Everything we see and feel is completely universal and of one thing only.

We practice individuality and frailty but we know that we can never really die nor live so we just fake it and fool ourselves.

You have asked the second most difficult question facing Plato.

[baudrunner]

There is great desire to know and much enthusiasm toward achieving that end before we die. Faith is a derivation of knowledge, the knowledge that knowledge is beyond our grasp. Is it more important to leave something behind or to look forward to greater things? After all, this reality is really just a holding pattern isn't it, the bottleneck of the continued process of evolution, until we are spat out at the moment of our deaths into the reconciliation of that mileau of contradictions that kept us pinned to our corporeality. So what does it matter what we believe, it matters not, for whatever it is/was does not change the inevitable. See you later.

[harmonygirl]

Rufus, I agree with your conclusion, like that grove of trees that had a common root system, we are blind to our own unity and separated by insignificant detail. I don't understand how you got there, but I will try to think about it. I believe all existence is life, so there is no "non-living" matter for me. I can't tell you how many times I've had the argument that I am the same as an ant. (trillions!)
Baud, I kind of believe that and kind of don't. It doesn't matter in the larger sense, just that our beliefs direct our actions, no? If we act rightly (according to our beliefs), don't we contribute to the "good energy", which ultimately benefits all? I'm not sure this reality is a holding pattern, I think it might be so the Goddess can experience stuff directly, but this is just a theory I am toying with.

[baudrunner]

That's not a new theory, HG. I did say that what we do or don't believe does not change the inevitable, which is what it is after all, isn't it? That doesn't imply predestination nor does it suggest that we influence the future by our actions, only what will be, will be. Çe sera, sera. Energy is energy and cannot be quantified morally because morality is a human invention which has its roots in what is ultimately defined then as bad energy because the one would not exist unless it is defined by the other.

[harmonygirl]

Good point Baud, I lost the Way!

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by baudrunner There is great desire to know and much enthusiasm toward achieving that end before we die. Faith is a derivation of knowledge, the knowledge that knowledge is beyond our grasp. Is it more important to leave something behind or to look forward to greater things? After all, this reality is really just a holding pattern isn't it, the bottleneck of the continued process of evolution, until we are spat out at the moment of our deaths into the reconciliation of that mileau of contradictions that kept us pinned to our corporeality. So what does it matter what we believe, it matters not, for whatever it is/was does not change the inevitable. See you later.

Yes quite poetic

I'm not sure we have the capacity to die in the classical sense. I think we simply forget our previous life when we are worn of it and enter as a babe in another, ad infinitum.

Faith is a coping mechanism to give some reasons for this life as opposed to nothing at all.

Leaving something behind leads to the conclusion that there is someone to leave things or whatever to....perhaps not?

Looking forward to greater things? What could be greater than this?

Then you get totally poetic and it sounds great even if it's all bs ;O}
(I certainly hope you have a sense of humor)