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Originally Posted by N0B0DY
Lost my train of thought for a second, but no matter.
Would you propose that the one consists of the same material as the many, Michael? Or is the one made of the substanceless substance as indicated in the Tao Te Ching?
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Michael, this thread is amazing thank-you, and quite right.. there is only ONE of us here for sure ..
It is when we relax our focus on the exterior world and be present within our own being,
will a realization dawn upon us, although initially overcoming the illusion of the many ... is realized through a transcendental experience,
once this is realized, it never ever leaves you, this is known as becoming self-realized or enlightened, a return to our true source, the absolute - [essential self]
it is the end of all unwanted mental activity or disturbance.
To transcend we have to still and relax the mind, the mind naturally resists this at first, but with plenty of discipline and meditation, we can do it.
It is similar to when one looks at a magic eye 2D image,
only when we relax the focus of our eyes does the hidden picture appear
turning the 2D image to a 3D image ..
It's about relaxation and a dissolving, a going beyond our mind to our primordial pre-conception awareness,
By doing this we are merging with our original eternal essence.
Here are a few chapters from Sri- Ramana . .to shed some light on this ..
That which is called 'mind' is an atisaya sakti [an extraordinary or wonderful power] that exists in atma-svarupa [our essential self]. It projects all thoughts [or causes all thoughts to appear]. When [we] see [what remains] having removed [relinquished, discarded, dispelled, erased or destroyed] all [our] thoughts, [we will discover that] solitarily [separate from or independent of thoughts] there is no such thing as 'mind'; therefore thought alone is the svarupa [the 'own form' or basic nature] of [our] mind. Having removed [all our] thoughts, [we will discover that] there is no such thing as 'world' [existing separately or independently] as other [than our thoughts]. In sleep there are no thoughts, [and consequently] there is also no world; in waking and dream there are thoughts, [and consequently] there is also a world. Just as a spider spins out [a] thread from within itself and again draws [it back] into itself, so [our] mind projects [this or some other] world from within itself and again dissolves [it back] into itself. When [our] mind comes out from atma-svarupa [our essential self], the world appears. Therefore when the world appears, svarupa [our 'own form' or essential self] does not appear [as it really is, that is, as the absolute and infinite non-dual consciousness of just being]; when svarupa appears (shines) [as it really is], the world does not appear. If [we] go on investigating the nature of [our] mind, 'tan' alone will finally appear as [the one underlying reality that we now mistake to be our] mind. That which is [here] called 'tan' [a Tamil reflexive pronoun meaning 'oneself' or 'ourself'] is only atma-svarupa [our own essential self]. [Our] mind stands only by always following [conforming or attaching itself to] a gross object [a physical body]; solitarily it does not stand. [Our] mind alone is spoken of as sukshma sarira [our 'subtle body', that is, the subtle form or seed of all the imaginary physical bodies that our mind creates and mistakes to be itself] and as jiva [our 'soul' or individual self]
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= Michael: I know that feeling only too well myself! Thanks for venturing out here in bandit country?
Good question Nobody,
I am tempted to say both,the reason being is that in the relative sense,relative universe,
the one is the same as the many (as the many are illusions) so it follows they are one.
Now with the sunstanceless substance I again say yes,as this to me reflects the absolute
in its Absolute state of awesome unmanifested unity of motionlessness.
hope that helps Nobody.
regards michael.
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Another chapter from Ramana ..
What rises in this body as 'I', that alone is [our] mind. If [we] investigate in what place the thought 'I' rises first in [our] body, [we] will come to know that [it rises first] in [our] heart [the innermost core of our being]. That alone is the birthplace of [our] mind. Even if [we] remain thinking 'I, I', it will take [us] and leave [us] in that place. Of all the thoughts that appear [or arise] in [our] mind, the thought 'I' alone is the first thought. Only after this rises do other thoughts rise. Only after the first person appears do the second and third persons appear; without the first person the second and third persons do not exist.
That which actually exists is only atma-svarupa [our own essential self]. The world, soul and God are kalpanaigal [imaginations, mental creations or fabrications] in it [our essential self], like [the imaginary] silver [that we see] in a shell. These three [basic elements of relativity or duality] appear at the same time and disappear at the same time. [Our] svarupa [our 'own form' or essential self] alone is the world; [our] svarupa alone is 'I' [our mind or individual self]; [our] svarupa alone is God; everything is siva-svarupa [our essential self, which is siva,
[the absolute and only truly existing reality]