[leskey]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Tao..., yeah sure___Mickey Mouse is god, too... Platitudes of samantics prove nothing...

I'm just perusing this thread again, Michael. (I went away not long after joining TOE Quest and subsequently lost touch until your recent post).

Do I detect a "learned" scientific swagger? Two nouns as the subject of a statement that seems to be oxymoronic in content...telling...

It must be an imperative that in order to hold scientific belief, there can be no other. IMHO, it just lowers the know-alls to the same level as those they hold to be truly ignorant (and, coincidentally, who also just happen to be (at base level) the source of their grants/funding).

Very little in this world holds true for very long, EXCEPT belief. As we present as individuals in this realm, we ARE basically no less or more than belief.

[Profpat]

Very true Lesley, very true. If you take away my faith and belief you would have stripped me of everything that I hold sacred.

Best to you,

Pat

[leskey]

Originally Posted by melanie We cannot live in a world that is not our own, in a world that is interpreted for us by others. An interpreted world is not a home. Part of the terror is to take back our own listening, to use our own voice, to see our own light. Hildegard Von Bingen (1098-1179)

Hi, All.

This quote resonnated with me. Thank you, Melanie.

By way of explanation, if I subscribe to any belief system, Christianity is the closest. It was part of the culture in which I was raised. I have not made any in-depth study of it, let alone any other belief system; suffice it to say that I am aware of them and attribute a common thread of wisdom and knowledge to many. I do not practice meditation - doesn't mean I won't...ever...though.

I would like to understand your concept in a little more depth, Michael. Is there anything you can add to your previous post to me on this thread? If not, I will proceed...

From what I can see, your theory seems reasonable. In adddition to it being simple to explain, with the provision in our lives of enlightenment, encouragement and the "means" to meditate (or not), something that would be of real benefit to the psyche of Mankind.

Am I on the right track?

[Profpat]

There is no one right track Leskey, there is only your own personal track which is always right for you.

Best.

Pat

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Profpat There is no one right track Leskey, there is only your own personal track which is always right for you. Best. Pat

Yes and No Pat.

Both The Impersonal and Personal One Divine Being ''arise'' mutually together.
God the supreme divine one being is both plural and uniquely singular in it's Omnipresence.

Take a holographic image, like a flower imbedded in a glass pendant smash it with a hammer and pick up any of the smaller pieces and look,
the entire image exists in any shard of the previous whole.

As above, so below, as within so without.

WE ARE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND IT EXISTS WITHIN US AS WELL. ALL OF IT.
NO PART IS LEFT OUT.
WE ARE WITHIN THE CREATOR AND YET THE CREATOR IS WITHIN US.
IT IS COMPLETE, WHOLE, TOTAL AND ONE WITH ALL.

Mother/Father God is omnipresent, as a hologram of the very creative force. Divine Feminine/ Divine Masculine – wave and particle – will and love.

All is safe and well.
If it isn't, .. then it is only because of what we are creating in our own personal minds.
We become Our personal thoughts.
Overall there is but one perfect divine universal intelligence at work.
And it works wonderfully and perfectly.
We are Both witness and the living testimony of that truth.
How can a human being possibly hold any fear in the knowledge of that profound truth.
We are the microcosm of the macrocosm.

melanie.

[melanie]

leskey: From what I can see, your theory seems reasonable. In adddition to it being simple to explain, with the provision in our lives of enlightenment, encouragement and the "means" to meditate (or not), something that would be of real benefit to the psyche of Mankind

Hi leskey,

I'll put in my 2 sense here, i'm sure michael is busy doing nothing, soaking up the turkish sun.


In reality this whole life/world/existence is ''arising'' as IT-self.
''Appearing'' through and AS ''us''

We are the whole body of GOD.. In which the spirit uses to express, we are the experiencing.

The whole universe is shining as One,
Without any split or break, or separate parts.
The idea of 'Maya' is itself the great delusion;
Duality and Non-duality are merely concepts of the mind.

Dattatreya's Song of the Avadhut

No-body becomes/gets enlightened in reality, because IT already IS
We are the little imitators of the already complete whole conception.
We are the experiencing of THAT

When the personal .. SEE's ... the totality of IT-self.
That is what we call enlightenment.
But we are only re-cognizing what we already are truly.
Wars are only ''appearing'' because humans cannot make peace with their thoughts.
All compassion is from grace it is automatic.
The game of love and war plays on because it want's to.

While Big Daddy looks on in detachment.


melanie.

[leskey]

Pat, I always appreciate your posts, comments and input.

Melanie, I consider you in some ways to be my mirror...I need a little time before I reply...

[melanie]

Originally Posted by leskey Pat, I always appreciate your posts, comments and input. Melanie, I consider you in some ways to be my mirror...I need a little time before I reply...

It's funny you should say that leskey, because I really like you.
I don't know what it is about you > > > hmm! but maybe i do. Nevermind.

Anyway i see myself in you too, i feel peoples energies and some of those energies resonate with my energy, while there are other's that don't.


melanie.

[leskey]

Only in recent times are the pieces of the puzzle ALL fitting into place for me. I think it started with the recognition of the "inter-connectedness of everything." I can indeed see that the "butterfly-winged" hurricane maker "happens."

The One has existed, does and will always exist. It was dark and perfectly still...it's infinitessimal stir (its Will) began everything: movement and momentum = energy>light>mass..."thing (including time)" appeared/happened. Existence is an "expression" of the One. Life is the "experience" of the One. The One retains exercises its perogative to retain only the "best" of its experiences.

In our particular worldly realm momentum continues apace...So, back to your quote, Melanie...

Originally Posted by melanie We cannot live in a world that is not our own, in a world that is interpreted for us by others. An interpreted world is not a home. Part of the terror is to take back our own listening, to use our own voice, to see our own light. Hildegard Von Bingen (1098-1179)

Look at the date! The lament is unchanged. I have always respected the entitlement of the individual to their particular perspective, but there is change taking place.

We have been given the means to effect change via the common voice of the Net. Many individuals are gathering together to voice disillusionmnet and dissent...If, as you say Pat, "there is always your own personal track which is always right for you," then shouldn't all individuals have the right to actively participate in ascertaining outcomes

Originally Posted by Melanie All is safe and well. If it isn't, .. then it is only because of what we are creating in our own personal minds. We become Our personal thoughts. Overall there is but one perfect divine universal intelligence at work. And it works wonderfully and perfectly. We are Both witness and the living testimony of that truth. How can a human being possibly hold any fear in the knowledge of that profound truth. We are the microcosm of the macrocosm.

There is certainly hope and unity in that knowledge, Melanie.

However, it 's also good to remember that "knowledge" per se does not necessarily equate with awareness, just as "ignorance" does not necessarily equate with lack of understanding.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Leskey,

I like your words:

It was dark and perfectly still...it's infinitessimal stir (its Will) began everything: movement and momentum = energy>light>mass..."thing (including time)" appeared/happened.

Wait until Graybeard hears that you might be a scientist!

Your words kind of echo Jimbo's Fluid Energy Theory and his thread of the same name:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...gy-theory.html

The will was 'to be' versus not, for here we are, from the movement of the itty bitty little 'simplistic' energetic stuff (the one) that further combined, taking so many billions of years, eventually into us.

The probable emerged from the possible.