[dipayankar]

If ether is present, it might have mass, which means that it would have an effect on photons. However there is no evidence of photons interacting with any mass during propogation.

Originally Posted by RascalPuff The aether debate may or not ever be resolved. It seems ancillary to the controversy of finiteness and infinity - all which is familiar to the human experience has a beginning and ending; ergo, that quality - limitation, if you will - is frequently projected on the universe at large; accompanied by proferred reasoning for a universal beginning and ending. The same rationale is applied to conductors for propagated signals of various description. Sound waves, for example, require a conductor, as water waves likewise require. In accordance with the known mechanics of propagation, a conductor for EM continues as a consideration. Whereas, the alternative scenario suggests that light may be 'self propagating'. (Thanks for the compliment on my cache of urls, dipayankar & Nobody - I located the one we're relating to here <Which is exceptionally stellar?>, while on a search for 'Lorentz'.) Just as this thread has a beginning, so too will it end, but not necessarily ending the enigmatic controversy it addresses.

[gopalanand saraswati]

Hi Pat,
When you walk to store can you leave your thoughts behind? what is the medium for the propogation when a mother feels uneasy when her child is in trouble in far away land? Or how come animals can sense a danger before the actual occurance, and not the human being with all its highly evolved faculties and all the scientific enlightenment?
So we can safely say that their many types of motion and medium which we can't physically prove. First we had macro bodies in mation, gross motion and Nuton's. When we reach atoms and particles, time became an important dimension while considering motion. We had special relativity theory. Now we are stuckup with motion of force. We start with general relativity. We have to assume particles like gravions etc. and vertual particals. Kindly note that all these theories are based on POINT being the basis of existance of universe, or primordial element with zero dimension, universe of mass.
Now we have reached to a new theory i.e string theory, super string theory and M-theory.Here primordial element has grown to a line. Point universe has grown to line universe, from zero we have gone to one dimension. To have to
reach a three dimensional universe of field where there is no particles with a space/time in between. Before that, there is a universe of force, a subtel primordial element, where only time remains as dimension. Then you can feel the furure. Don't have to travel to past because time moves in one dimension only. To move to past you have to go through the causal dimension, cease all dimension before you begin again from a point.
with regards
GS
ps: does gravion has a mass?











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[Profpat]

Hi GS;

My question about walking to the store had to do with movement. I agree man relies more on intelligence rather than instinct, and perhaps lost or muted our sense of awareness. I believe you are right about how some mothers can sense pain or danger from their offsprings miles and miles away.

I have my own theory about relating the point to the line ( string ) to the quark, a 2 dimensional reality and finally to the proton/neutron a 3 dimensional reality. If you are interested you can access it at:
( http://www.toequest.com/forum/your-t...2803-idea.html ) you have to access a pdf file or just go to post # 40 at that thread.

I don't know if a graviton exist or if it has mass.

Best to you,

Pat

[Fivedoughnut]

Originally Posted by myphysics Hi Fivedoughnut, Thanks for responding to my query. Could you please ellaborate on The Brane universes. I would be happy you suggests some websites which would give the information. take care, my physics

Go surf 'the net', there's lots of stuff on membrane theory etc (m-theory).
My particular drift from mainstream started when I conjectured that beneath an event horizon time would reverse from the extreme future back eventually (at singularity) through to the extreme past - one creating the other in a perpetual event loop, a duality of both condensation and expansion. This mechanism I soon realized could explain electromagnetism.

If photons were in fact wavicles existing in this very cycle, meaning that photons create singularities - moreover all particles form singularities with a common cyclic event loop mechanism. I propose our universe is just a higher order geometric wavicle on whose wavefront, exist lower dimensional offspring via dimensional 'decay' (elementary particles etc) .... photons are themselves even lower dimensional wavicles that ride on the wave-front surfaces of electronic wavicles which arc around hyperspace (around the universe's wave-front) both in future and past space.

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by gopalanand saraswati The whole concept of motion is an illusion, based on a point of origin and a point of observation of disturbance, in the space-time continum. The truth is that the universe is existing in an Infinty and not vaccuum. Our problem is that a fish swimming in deep ocean is tring to deny the existance of water because it cannot see the water. Gopalanand

I think if we look even deeper than the ocean, we'll discover that both the fish and the ocean are made of the same motionless substance (?) which is neither ocean stuff nor fish stuff; but more closely matched to the mind stuff that we simply make up.

[dipayankar]

'Back to the past??' What really caught my eyes here is ' photons create singularities'. How would you define a singularity?

Originally Posted by Fivedoughnut Go surf 'the net', there's lots of stuff on membrane theory etc (m-theory). My particular drift from mainstream started when I conjectured that beneath an event horizon time would reverse from the extreme future back eventually (at singularity) through to the extreme past - one creating the other in a perpetual event loop, a duality of both condensation and expansion. This mechanism I soon realized could explain electromagnetism. If photons were in fact wavicles existing in this very cycle, meaning that photons create singularities - moreover all particles form singularities with a common cyclic event loop mechanism. I propose our universe is just a higher order geometric wavicle on whose wavefront, exist lower dimensional offspring via dimensional 'decay' (elementary particles etc) .... photons are themselves even lower dimensional wavicles that ride on the wave-front surfaces of electronic wavicles which arc around hyperspace (around the universe's wave-front) both in future and past space.

[Fivedoughnut]

Originally Posted by dipayankar 'Back to the past??' What really caught my eyes here is ' photons create singularities'. How would you define a singularity?

Singularities from my conjectured crank perspective are the highest degree of dimensional condensation. Photonic singularities are of the 'point' variety whilst those generated by an electro-positronic wavicle are of the 'ring type' - responsible for the illusion of the electron-positron pair. I'd guess our universe forms a hypertoroidal + singularity in which all other sub-component singularities reside.

[dipayankar]

Wow that was too scientifis and as usual did not register in my brain.

What would you mean by the 'illusion of the electron-positron pair'. I thought the electron positron pair existed in reality.

Also I did not fully understand the term 'hypertoroidal + singularity'

Originally Posted by Fivedoughnut Singularities from my conjectured crank perspective are the highest degree of dimensional condensation. Photonic singularities are of the 'point' variety whilst those generated by an electro-positronic wavicle are of the 'ring type' - responsible for the illusion of the electron-positron pair. I'd guess our universe forms a hypertoroidal + singularity in which all other sub-component singularities reside.

[Fivedoughnut]

Originally Posted by dipayankar What would you mean by the 'illusion of the electron-positron pair'. I thought the electron positron pair existed in reality.

Imagine this then: If you were to pass a hoop through a 2-D plane @ 90 degrees - all you'd see on that plane is two points ..... I conjecture that the wave-front surface of our universe is a 3-D plane in which extra-dimensional (wavicles) are embedded, in very much the same way, we'd 'see' them as two separate entities when in fact they're just manifestations of just one object.

[dipayankar]

Are you thus saying that the extra dimensions are 'hidden' from us because we are located this way? Suppose we go to Orion Nebula, would we be seeing some extra dimensions because of the change in orientations???

Originally Posted by Fivedoughnut Imagine this then: If you were to pass a hoop through a 2-D plane @ 90 degrees - all you'd see on that plane is two points ..... I conjecture that the wave-front surface of our universe is a 3-D plane in which extra-dimensional (wavicles) are embedded, in very much the same way, we'd 'see' them as two separate entities when in fact they're just manifestations of just one object.