Aether Physics Model

[bschimer]

Does anyone have any thoughts on this theory. I am a total amateur but I happened to come across this website. http://www.quantumaetherdynamics.com/start.html
I am just learning about the multitude of different theories out there, and for someone with no formal physics education it is hard to decide which theory or theories to take seriously. It seems that some are just ideas that someone has just made up without any scientific knowledge. If you have any comments that would be great. thanks.

[Guille]

hi, welcome here.

I had been a a few months ago to this link, but I decided not to read it. Now, looking at it, I can say it does seem a serious theory, but the definition of the "aether" and the re-definition of the concepts of dimension makes it a bit suspicious of non-provable ideas. In this, it gets near to string theory although it blames this theory.

[yogi]

Does anyone have any thoughts on this theory. I am a total amateur but I happened to come across this website. http://www.quantumaetherdynamics.com/start.html
thanks.

good site, still suggest a detailed look at another site

http://www.virtualchaos.org/index.html.

informative and blending science and philosophy (god) in a logical presentation. This site also talk about TOE and hence relevant to Toe-Quest.

sincerely,
yogi

[dleviwing]

Bschimer;
The site is a promotion for a book. I am a supporter of the "Aether" concepts but the brief description at this site indicates the author may be going down the wrong path. I think I would check it out at the library before buying it.
Before you get too far into this topic I offer this passage taken from a lecture given by Einstein in 1920. This will allow you to set those people straight who state that Einstein said the ether did not exist.

Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein/ May 5th, 1920
The special theory of relativity forbids us to assume the ether to consist of particles observable through time, but the hypothesis of ether in itself is not in conflict with the special theory of relativity. Only we must be on our guard against ascribing a state of motion to the ether.

This is the link to the entire presentation.
http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html

Welcome to TOEquest;
Dave

[Guille]

dave,

Then, Eisntein believed in the aether? if this is true, did he develop or try to develop a theory about the aether, of which I don't know about?

everyone:
I think that if anybody is creating a theory about the aether, or a TOE centered on the aether, please don't call it the aether, because I see more widelly spread definitions of it each day, and this only complicates it. If what you mean in your theory is the fabric of space, or space-time, call it spaceons or however you want, but not "aether".

[dleviwing]

Guelle;
Spacetime was called "ETHER" first. It has also been called Quantum Foam, Aether, and a few other names. There is more to Einstein's paper than just the exert I provided. If you replace spacetime with ether in your other post, (atomic matter in contact with spacetime) you will see cause and effect. Next is to view ether as matter in its ultimate gaseous state or "random chaotic wave functions". No uniform motion.

[volantis]

Does anyone have any thoughts on this theory. I am a total amateur but I happened to come across this website. http://www.quantumaetherdynamics.com/start.html
I am just learning about the multitude of different theories out there, and for someone with no formal physics education it is hard to decide which theory or theories to take seriously. It seems that some are just ideas that someone has just made up without any scientific knowledge. If you have any comments that would be great. thanks.

The book is available, at least in part, on Google Print.
http://print.google.com/print?q=%22secrets+of+the+aether%22&oi=print

None of the book is made up without scientific knowledge. It is well-researched and well-presented. All the equations base from empirical data and express in dimensions.

Dave (author)

[hdeasy]

Guelle;
Spacetime was called "ETHER" first. It has also been called Quantum Foam, Aether, and a few other names. There is more to Einstein's paper than just the exert I provided. If you replace spacetime with ether in your other post, (atomic matter in contact with spacetime) you will see cause and effect. Next is to view ether as matter in its ultimate gaseous state or "random chaotic wave functions". No uniform motion.

Quantum gravity theories like Heim Theory or Loop Quantum Gravity, which unite relativity and quantum mechanics, do have a sort of ether which is consistent with relativity - e.g. the metronic lattice which undisturbed can look like 'pure vacuum' but with any sort of distortion, whether temporary (virtual) or more permanent ('real') looks like particles.

By the way, the original ether link quoted at the top of this thread looks like rubbish - for serious physics of the vacuum one is better off with e.g. Calif. Inst. Technology: Haisch even has ideas of how to extract energy from the vacuum a la Casimir or similar:

http://www.calphysics.org/sci_articles.html

- note the logo here may have been aped by the pseudo-scientific Aether crowd.

[volantis]

By the way, the original ether link quoted at the top of this thread looks like rubbish -

Would you care to share more details of your critical analysis?

[volantis]

Bschimer;
The site is a promotion for a book. I am a supporter of the "Aether" concepts but the brief description at this site indicates the author may be going down the wrong path. I think I would check it out at the library before buying it.

You can read the book on Google Print by searching Google for "secrets of the aether."

The special theory of relativity forbids us to assume the ether to consist of particles observable through time, but the hypothesis of ether in itself is not in conflict with the special theory of relativity. Only we must be on our guard against ascribing a state of motion to the ether.

Also, be careful of the underlying assumption. You are approaching SRT from the perspective that it is true and that in order for it to remain true, then certain other assumptions must be avoided. But that is not the way of science. The theory is not presented and then the data made to fit, as you are suggesting.

If it turns out that the Aether can be in motion, as the evidence clearly demonstrates, then we must be prepared to abandon the theories that assume the Aether cannot move.

The Michelson-Morley, Morley-Miller, and Dayton Miller experiments were conducted over a 20 year period, hundreds of thousands of times. The experiments clearly showed that there is an Aether drift, although it was not of the magnitude predicted from the assumption that the Aether was fixed and matter moved through it.

A correct interpretation of all the data shows that matter is encapsulated within the Aether and that Aether moves relative to itself. Matter never moves at all.

We see this same dynamic all throughout the Universe. Water can disolve particulate matter by individually encapsulating each particle. As water flows, the particles move with it. The atmosphere does the same thing with dust and molecules. The Atlantic Ocean is a vast body of water, but within this vast body of water there is a Gulf Stream that flows quickly passed the Sargasso Sea. Similarly, there are currents within the Aether. Dayton Miller clearly proved this and measured the Aether drift at ten thousand kilometers per second relative to the Earth at Mt. Wilson Observatory.

In fact, Einstein was so disturbed by this evidence, that after Dayton Miller died, he exerted great pressure upon Robert Shankland to re-examine the data and suggest it was due to a temperature anomaly. For 20 years Dayton Miller worked and carefully planned his experiments, taking over one hundred thousand measurements, and was highly respected for his ability to carry this out. And after he died, one jealous scientist with lots of influence succeeded in having Miller's work written off as a temperature anomaly.

No, we must not be on guard to deny the existence of a moving Aether. We must be on guard to see the data as it is and not allow our prejudices to keep us in the dark about the truth.