Here is a philosophical theory of everything, i really mean everything

[Pattern]

What do we mean by everything? Its a reasonable question to put in this forum i think. So that will be the first question to answer and as we shall see the answer is important. So we take the phenomena we know of and list them. We have time, matter, language, and so on. The full list looks like this:

Digits, geomtrical figures
Mathematics
Patterns
Dots
Lines
Space-time
Energy, Matter
Gravitation
Universell
Nervimpulses
Expreiance
Motivation
Impressions
Scales
Categories
Symbols, Words
Grammar
Thoughts
Tones
Rythm
Music
Genes
Laws of Evolution
Development
Counciousness
Communication
Society
Memes
Laws of evolution
Development

I argue that these thirty phenomena is what the universe and our minds are built up of. Please make your own list if you do not agree. Some of them really are questionable but for now we will make this our premiss.

So this is all that exists. Now the question is can we find a pattern in this list that can help us in any way? The answer i we sure can. It looks like this and there is also a general law that governs it:


General law: Several unit of whatever sort must always have a relation to each other and from the units together with the pattern an emergent pattern is generated.




Universal structure




1 Mathematical level


Units: Digits, geomtrical figures

Relation: Mathematics

Pattern: Patterns




2 Space-time level

Units: Dots

Relation: Lines

Pattern: Space-time




3 Material level


Units: Energy, Matter

Relation: Gravitation

Pattern: Universell




The structure of conciousness


4 The Experiance level

Units: Nervimpulses = The units that produce pain witch probably is the original feeling

Relation: Expreiance = originally the experiance of pain but as time goes other feelings are added

Pattern: Motivation = What makes us do something rather then nothing




5 The Categorisation level

Units: Impressions = information from our senses

Relation: Scales = The sorting of the information from the senses

Pattern: Kategories = The storage-structure of the brain




6 The Thoughtlevel


Units: Symbols, Words = The recollection of experiances in a broad sesce

Relation: Grammar = What gives any meaning to a sequense of symbols

Pattern: Thoughts = Meaningfull combination of symbols and grammar

Two more universal levels

7 Musical level

Units: Tones

Relation: Rythm

Pattern: Music




8 Evolutionary level


Units: Genes

Relation: Laws of Evolution

Pattern: Development

Two more councious levels

9 The Cultural level


Units: Counciousness

Relation: Communication

Pattern: Society




10 Ideal level

Units: Memes = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Relation: Laws of evolution

Pattern: Development

I think it is fantastic. What do you think?

Here is the film in witch i try to explain the perspective and its implications:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRie-49MvS8

[labelwench]

The relationship between units emerges as a 'pattern', there being many such patterns in the world and universe around us.

What is the pattern that binds all the patterns, is what I have been watching for.

In your presentation, the one thing that I question would be your hypothesis that extraterrestrial life would have no recourse but to have similar thought processes and ethics as does our species. Given that there is such a range of ethical variance even among our own kind, this does not seem logical to me. Just my opinion.....

[Pattern]

The relationship between units emerges as a 'pattern', there being many such patterns in the world and universe around us.

What is the pattern that binds all the patterns, is what I have been watching for.

In your presentation, the one thing that I question would be your hypothesis that extraterrestrial life would have no recourse but to have similar thought processes and ethics as does our species. Given that there is such a range of ethical variance even among our own kind, this does not seem logical to me. Just my opinion.....

I see what you mean, but unfortunatly i think we can expect the same ethical variance with extraterrestrials, however dissapointing or tragic that might be.

[labelwench]

You suggest that it is 'the fear of pain' that makes flesh move, and that pain avoidance is the primary motivation, with positive feelings being a secondary, lessor motivating factor.

But generally we can say that motivation comes from fleeing pain and seeking positive emotions. What we also can see is that motivation does not consist of any particular units that it can be divided into, so something else must be responsible for it. As we shall see it is important to separate phenomena that are dividable into pieces from phenomena that are not.

While I agree that fleeing from pain and discomfort is certainly a strong motivating factor, it is not the only one in my observation, and persons are willing to accept considerable risk, discomfort and pain, even risking death, in the pursuit of many optional personal goals, climbing Mount Everest as a simple example that comes to mind.

How do you account for this?

Also, why do you consider it important to separate phenomena into the categories you propose?

Just some thoughts that came to mind......

[Mikal]

What do we mean by everything? Its a reasonable question to put in this forum i think. So that will be the first question to answer and as we shall see the answer is important. So we take the phenomena we know of and list them. We have time, matter, language, and so on. The full list looks like this:

Digits, geomtrical figures
Mathematics
Patterns
Dots
Lines
Space-time
Energy, Matter
Gravitation
Universell
Nervimpulses
Expreiance
Motivation
Impressions
Scales
Categories
Symbols, Words
Grammar
Thoughts
Tones
Rythm
Music
Genes
Laws of Evolution
Development
Counciousness
Communication
Society
Memes
Laws of evolution
Development

I argue that these thirty phenomena is what the universe and our minds are built up of. Please make your own list if you do not agree. Some of them really are questionable but for now we will make this our premiss.

So this is all that exists. Now the question is can we find a pattern in this list that can help us in any way? The answer i we sure can. It looks like this and there is also a general law that governs it:


General law: Several unit of whatever sort must always have a relation to each other and from the units together with the pattern an emergent pattern is generated.




Universal structure




1 Mathematical level


Units: Digits, geomtrical figures

Relation: Mathematics

Pattern: Patterns




2 Space-time level

Units: Dots

Relation: Lines

Pattern: Space-time




3 Material level


Units: Energy, Matter

Relation: Gravitation

Pattern: Universell




The structure of conciousness


4 The Experiance level

Units: Nervimpulses = The units that produce pain witch probably is the original feeling

Relation: Expreiance = originally the experiance of pain but as time goes other feelings are added

Pattern: Motivation = What makes us do something rather then nothing




5 The Categorisation level

Units: Impressions = information from our senses

Relation: Scales = The sorting of the information from the senses

Pattern: Kategories = The storage-structure of the brain




6 The Thoughtlevel


Units: Symbols, Words = The recollection of experiances in a broad sesce

Relation: Grammar = What gives any meaning to a sequense of symbols

Pattern: Thoughts = Meaningfull combination of symbols and grammar

Two more universal levels

7 Musical level

Units: Tones

Relation: Rythm

Pattern: Music




8 Evolutionary level


Units: Genes

Relation: Laws of Evolution

Pattern: Development

Two more councious levels

9 The Cultural level


Units: Counciousness

Relation: Communication

Pattern: Society




10 Ideal level

Units: Memes = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Relation: Laws of evolution

Pattern: Development

I think it is fantastic. What do you think?

Here is the film in witch i try to explain the perspective and its implications:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRie-49MvS8

Hi Pattern....I like the structure of your model here, its very interesting. I also watched the video and noticed you speak of 'feelings' as important. On this level I would align with your thinking there.

I also discovered something about patterns too. They exist in our lives for example a person over several years can meet 10 different people and through relationships one single theme can appear in all the relationships, appearing in varying situations. When I noticed it I thought it was kind of like life talking to a person about a problem or maybe a weakness they needed to work on and strangely enough it made me think that this might be why certain people cross our path causing us to work things out.
Just a thought but its definitely a pattern.

Regards Mikal

[Pattern]

While I agree that fleeing from pain and discomfort is certainly a strong motivating factor, it is not the only one in my observation, and persons are willing to accept considerable risk, discomfort and pain, even risking death, in the pursuit of many optional personal goals, climbing Mount Everest as a simple example that comes to mind.

How do you account for this?

This fleeing from pain must be the original motivator. But as time goes by our feelings get more complicted and our relation to pain gets more complicated as i see it. This is due to the complicated feedback loops within the system. Hence people develop all kinds of strange behaviour.

As for climbing Mount Everest i guess this behaviour is primarly caused by the complex urge to feel special that some people develop. But complex behaviour is not described by the scheme. It only describes where phenomena come from and how they are related in their original state.

Also, why do you consider it important to separate phenomena into the categories you propose?

Just some thoughts that came to mind......

I guess this is the question of what good the scheme is. Ok, so a long answer then:

What is the scientific relevance of the scheme if it is proven to reflect nature?

First i think that the scheme does what the film promises it to do by answering many many questions. I hold that the scheme takes us halfway to constructing intelligence. In short you could say that the scheme will change all scienses if it is proven to reflect the true nature of the phenomena. It will also give the scienses a common language in witch they can communicate interdiciplinary and i guess that is good.

But if you would have asked the guy that discovered electricity what the use of it was i doubt he could give you a straight answer. The same goes for all discoveries, you simply dont know what it will lead to.

How do we prove that the scheme reflects nature?

The most obvius way to prove that the scheme works is to use it to create AI with it.

Another way is to find the mathematics that are responsible for the scheme and use them to prove it. Sofar my hunch is that the mathematical fields to use for this are theese:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_theory

But what do i know, im no mathematician.

These are the normal ways to prove a theory. Either you prove it works practically or mathematically but i am sure there are more ways to prove it or make it useful then the ones i have given example of.



I also saw that you conplained about my english. And as you might have guessed it is not my first language so i thank you for your offer to help me and some day when i make a new film i might contact you.

I welcome more questions and all kinds of problems anybody might find with the scheme.

[labelwench]

Your use of a second language is far better than mine would ever be, yet your reference to a remark made on another thread might be confusing to someone who is reading this one. I neither complained or criticized your work.

I made an observation of a technicality and I offered my resources as a solution, as a professional in my own field.

That you felt somewhat slighted, I offer apology for.

In my experience, one gets much more attention from their peer group when these details are attended to.

Regards,

Labelwench

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• Re: The theory in a filmed version
• Originally Posted by Pattern
  Now i have made a short movie about the perspective and i hope it explains it better then i was able to do in this thread. So if you have any questions or anyting, please comment.
  
  Keep in mind that this theory is not finished yet so there is a lot of room for improvment.
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRie-49MvS8
  
  
  
  I took the time to watch your video, as I am one who finds the relationship between things very interesting. This is still in draft form? I did notice some spelling and grammar which I am sure you will catch as you continue your work. If you would like a bit of help with that aspect, you can call on me as I have done considerable editing and policy review in my work.
  
  Kind regards,
  
  Labelwench
  So many paths to the same destination,
  would, but I could, experience them all...
  
• 
  Thanked 11x in 6 P
  
  The theory in a filmed version
  
  Now i have made a short movie about the perspective and i hope it explains it better then i was able to do in this thread. So if you have any questions or anyting, please comment.
  
  Keep in mind that this theory is not finished yet so there is a lot of room for improvment.
  
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRie-49MvS8

[Drifter]

Hi Pattern,
In your opening post you mentioned some higher levels?
Onr of them was not higher reasoning?
Then Label mentioned something she herself, along with your own, was looking for.
Something came to mind and I would like to submit for your perusal some thruths that I have discovered and ask your opinions on it.
It's about phenomenon and neumenon. Manifest and unmaniest are one.

Thanks, and kind regards always,
d.

http://prahlad.org/gallery/nisargada...searchable.pdf

Scroll down (slide bar) to Chapter 17 for the full discourse. It's not long winded.
It's a very brief chapter only a couple small 'pages' chapter 17, if one could even consider them that, that follow a certain train of thought, or no thought, as the case may be.
I would appreciate your perspectives?

"The sentient being is only a very small part within the
process of the apparent mirrorization of the noumenon into the phenomenal universe. It is only one
object in the total objectivization and, as such, 'we' can have no nature of our own. And yet — and
this is important— phenomena are not something separately created, or even projected, but are
indeed noumenon conceptualized or objectivized. In other words, the difference is purely notional.
Without the notion, they are ever inseparable, and there is no real duality between noumenon and
phenomena.
This identity — this inseparableness — is the key to the understanding, or rather the
apperceiving of our true nature, because if this basic unity between the noumenon and the
phenomenon is lost sight of, we would get bogged down in the quagmire of objectivization and
concepts. Once it is understood that the noumenon is all that we are, and that the phenomena are
what we appear to be as separate objects, it will also be understood that no entity can be involved
in what we are, and therefore, the concept of an entity needing 'liberation' will be seen as nonsense;
and 'liberation', if any, will be seen as liberation from the very concept of bondage and liberation.
When I think about what I was before I was 'born', I know that this concept of 'I am' was not
there. In the absence of consciousness, there is no conceptualizing; and whatever seeing takes place
is not what one — an entity — sees as a subject/object, but is seeing from within, from the source
of all seeing. And then, through this 'awakening', I realize that the all-enveloping wholeness of the
Absolute can not have even a touch of the relative imperfection; and so I must, relatively, live
through the allotted span of life until at the end of it, this relative 'knowledge' merges in the noknowing
state of the Absolute. This temporary condition of 'I-know' and 'I-know-that-I-know' then

merges into that eternal state of 'I-do-not-know' and 'I-do-not-know' that 'I-do-not-know."

[Drifter]

Hi Pattern....I like the structure of your model here, its very interesting. I also watched the video and noticed you speak of 'feelings' as important. On this level I would align with your thinking there.

I also discovered something about patterns too. They exist in our lives for example a person over several years can meet 10 different people and through relationships one single theme can appear in all the relationships, appearing in varying situations. When I noticed it I thought it was kind of like life talking to a person about a problem or maybe a weakness they needed to work on and strangely enough it made me think that this might be why certain people cross our path causing us to work things out.
Just a thought but its definitely a pattern.

Regards Mikal

Hi Mikal,
The grandest pattern of all is love.

[Drifter]

You suggest that it is 'the fear of pain' that makes flesh move, and that pain avoidance is the primary motivation, with positive feelings being a secondary, lessor motivating factor.



While I agree that fleeing from pain and discomfort is certainly a strong motivating factor, it is not the only one in my observation, and persons are willing to accept considerable risk, discomfort and pain, even risking death, in the pursuit of many optional personal goals, climbing Mount Everest as a simple example that comes to mind.

How do you account for this?

Also, why do you consider it important to separate phenomena into the categories you propose?

Just some thoughts that came to mind......

Perhaps it's affinity and aversion, concommitantly inseparable? ~~~~~~~ Therefor the highs and the lows of material life in general?