Einstein's so-called 'Biggest Blunder' was right after all.

[RascalPuff]

Hey Greg:

"Do you not agree that c decreases proportionate to h increasing?"

What does your usage of 'h', mean?

- RP

[N0B0DY]

Sorry, Rascal, was your question directed at Greg for a reason or was that a typo?

[RascalPuff]

Dear Nobody:

My question was directed at Greg for a reason and was not a typo.
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The transmission was:
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Hey Greg:

"Do you not agree that c decreases proportionate to h increasing?"
(This was Greg's question to me in his last transmission. My reply was)

What does your usage of 'h', mean?

- RP

Best regards ,
- RP

[baudrunner]

After all is said and done and we discover that the anomalous red shift is caused by the passage of light waves through the Oort cloud which slows their transmission and therefore reduces their frequency what will be said of dark matter and dark energy?

I'm glad that I am not the only one who makes efforts to debunk the big bang theory.

[Graybeard]

"Could it be that we are in a contracting Universe, getting denser in proportion daily?"
Greg:
In such a conditional universe as you propose - test objects would 'fall', up, instead of down.

I don't think so, as matter contracts in proportion with space all objects would have to remain within the 'boundary'. The way I view it two objects in contact would not seperate in contraction, but would 'accelerate' inwards at exactly the same rate ??? They would be just as 'crowded' as before because there would be less space to occupy.

Sorry, Rascal, was your question directed at Greg for a reason or was that a typo?

Nob ... I don't know why Rascal asked me that question either.

Understood, Rascal! I'm not saying you're wrong in your proposals, only that the observed expansion of space - evidentially-based on Hubble's redshifting - can be explained by wavelengths redshifting due to increased absorption and emission of light as it propagates through denser media.
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Do you not agree that c decreases proportionate to h increasing? The wavelengths get longer and longer exponentially.

I am not exactly sure what this question is saying, but Nob I am glad that you also see the problem of our observations only detecting space expanding.

There are 3 ways that I know of to detect the expansion of space, both of you (Rascal & Nob) seem to be mixing them together. At least from my limited understanding of them.

1 .. Use the 1/r2 relationship of light and the galaxy's intensity to determine its distance at two different times and divide the distance traveled by delta t.

2.. Observe the spectrum of an object and compare its emission lines to those of calcium and hydrogen in the laboratory.

3 .. Use Hubble's Law (the relationship between a distant galaxy's distance and its speed) to try and solve the problem.

Each one of these have a degree of independence from the others, yet still arrive at the conclusion that space is NOT expanding where matter is bound by 'attractive' gravity (where matter is preponderant) ..... and that space IS expanding where 'repulsive' gravity (pressure and temp are in greater proportion than Mass .. or the Cosmo Constant) dominates.

Rascal ... which in particular is Nobs question relating to ???

(we should really ask a moderator to transfer this to Roberts monthly theme ?? shouldn't we ??)

cool bananas ... greg

[RascalPuff]

Please pardon me gentlemen, I'm still contemplating the various imports of this discussion.

There are several Standard Theorist interpretations of 'red shift' that remain unresolved and controversial.

Regarding a universe of contracting matter, I don't agree at all.
G.P. Thompson (son of J.J. Thompson) proved that electrons are expanding fields; as recorded by J.W.N. Sullivan, in The Limitations of Science (Thompson subjectively overruled his objective findings, on the premise that "Obviously everything isn't expanding".)

This discussion has taken several turns that I have yet to understand.

What is Robert's Monthly Forum?

Requesting your patience and advice.

Best regards,
- RP

[Graybeard]

Regarding a universe of contracting matter, I don't agree at all.
G.P. Thompson (son of J.J. Thompson) proved that electrons are expanding fields; as recorded by J.W.N. Sullivan, in The Limitations of Science (Thompson subjectively overruled his objective findings, on the premise that "Obviously everything isn't expanding".)

This discussion has taken several turns that I have yet to understand.

What is Robert's Monthly Forum?

Requesting your patience and advice.

Best regards,
- RP

Rascal ... no one is suggesting that the Universe is contracting or static. What I am saying is that the logical reasoning you provide for an expanding Universe of Space and Matter also works for a contracting or static Universe. Your logic does not rule out either possibility?

In other words, and as plainly as I can put it, these imaginary Universes are allowed by the logic you use to support the fact that BOTH Matter and Space is expanding.

Here is Roberts Post:

The monthly theme for November, 2007 is the Expanding Universe. It will begin today, November, 4th, 2007 and last until the first Saturday in December. On Saturday morning we will have a group chat to discuss the theme, review topics from the forum, discuss what we know and don't know, etc. Then, after the chat, we will continue to study the material collected over the preceding 30 days, in preparation for the Final Exam the following day on Sunday. Members will take the test and the results will be immediately posted for all to see. Then I will record all the grades and distribute awards later that day. Members may repeat the test every few days to improve their permanent rankings; however, only the day one grades will be used to distribute the awards.

Here is Robert's Link .... there are about 6 threads there already. What I am saying is that this thread should be moved there to add to the knowledge base for the Quiz at the end of the month

http://www.toequest.com/forum/universe-expansion/


cool bananas .... greg

(Rascal ...no hassles if you feel I have taken your thread off course ... its all good)

[RascalPuff]

Hey Greg:

Always good to hear from you.

"(Rascal ...no hassles if you feel I have taken your thread off course ... its all good)

Not a problem.
Just wondering how I can condense my work into a relatively short starter for Robert's forum.

Best regards,
- RP

[Graybeard]

The monthly theme for November, 2007 is the Expanding Universe.

Well ... Just start a thread stating your main principles and let the rest of us take it from there.

Robert is going to use all the info to compile a base set of knowledge and conduct a quiz at the end of the month.

cool bananas ... greg

[Robert]

Hi RascalPuff,

I added a link to this article in the "Universe Expansion" home page. If you would like to narrow the focus to a single principle or concept in your article please feel free to start a new thread in the "Universe Expansion" forum.

--Robert