Is There Enough Room for Space? Time enough for motion?

[RascalPuff]

An artificial enigma is perpetuated at regular intervals in writing and the spoken word:

'There has to have been a beginning'.
'The universe couldn't have originated out of nothing - it had to come from somewhere".

There are prescient variations on this theme that refuses to acknowledge the meaning of infinity, eternity and forever...

The material of the universe has always been here.
There is no beginning and there is no ending to universal materia and accompanying motion.
The material universe is infinitely small in the microcosms and infinitely large in the macrocosms. Motion, distance, time and length are not all anthropomorphic inventions.

'There is always something smaller than small and larger than large". - Anon

Please accustom yourself to these persistently illusionary realities. Familiarize yourself with the Golden Rectangle, Phi, and pi r squared. (Get used to it.) - Best regards

[mkirkpatrick]

No there is not enough room to harbour that widespread illusion-period.



regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Reality’s Rainbow

I get the feeling that our perceived reality is a tertiary or secondary reality because…

1) Mind/consciousness, our only portal to “reality”, interprets waves/particles or interference patterns or fields in representative ways such as change, color, form, odour, taste, feel, space, and time (via the same model used in our night dreams)—time being the rate at which experience crosses the horizon of mind/consciousness. It’s not the interpretation of reality that’s insightful, but that the qualities produced by mind/consciousness may not exist at the fundamental level.

2) Our reality disappears into black holes and also seems not to exist within the planck distance (perhaps they are connected) and so there seems to be a deeper reality in those places (or it is an effect of (1)).

3) Our so-called fundamental particles may be vibrations of a superstring or some underlying emanation.

4) It seems odd that a particular form of what we think is fundamental, say, for sake of argument, a superstring, happens to work all the way up through stars, matter, planets, suitable environments, and on up to us and our mind/consciousness over billions of years instead of some arbrirtary fundamental that had no future whatsoever.

Now, as an aside, there could be extremely intelligent alien life forms that could now or someday manipulate us and our reality, although no super life forms are at all apparent now, but no matter, for I am searching for the ultimate simplicity that underlies reality, not a composite complexity that might oversee it.

By the way, I feel that there is indeed nearly unlimited potential in our future (or some other planet’s if we don’t make it) and that the complex composites are where all the astounding action is and will be, but I’m just wondering what started it all down at the simple level.

There was no beginning of the fundamental and there is no end to it in our terminology because there is no time at that level, but—it does exist rather than not, for it must do so, since a state of nothingness is apparently impossible given that there is something that our mind/consciousness interprets.

The fundamental may be electrons/quarks or strings underlying them—or whatever underlies strings, but no matter, for the fundamental works very well, either because it was the only way possible due to some constraint (1-dimension?) or because it was flexible enough, in a quantum-hinted way to try everything-all-at-once and produce a substance that worked all the way up. I am not suggesting that the fundamental is a system or has parts or has intelligence, for then it would not be fundamental and absolute, although its parts could be.

So, what I get out of all this is that there was no creation of the fundamental; a state of nothing is impossible (a truth known but not the why of it); it existed forever in our terminology of time; it is simplicity itself; it’s reality may be different than what we’re used to as reality, perhaps is it spaceless timeless, and formless—even something like the unintuitive quantum world in which all possibilities are in superposition until the most probable appears; it might not be that amazing, for that is the price of simplicity, while the complexities built from it are much more interesting and are without apparent bounds.

[G_burnett]

the unintuitive quantum world in which all possibilities are in superposition until the most probable appears;

I think therefore I am....its a matter of will to shift is it not?

[mkirkpatrick]

Space,time,are all aspects of a temporal phenomena,known as relativity,which is basically
and factually an illusion,albeit a very persistent one,"as Einstein once noted"!



regards michael.