The Dance of Shiva

[Fredrick]

Hi Fredrick

Thus far, I have shied away from any religious concepts on the TOE site but the title of my article should be enough of a clue to allow anyone to determine my sympathies - if not principles. Richard Dawkins would describe me as a 'Deist' and the closest I can get to a description of the one true god is Brahma which explains my interest in eastern philosophies and use of Shiva in the title of my TOE. I have just ordered, from Amazon, The Tao of Physics by Frijof Capra which is based on the links between eastern religion/philosophy and modern physics. My approach to religion is exactly the same as for scientific, moral or philosophical issues: examine each concept and accept those that fit comfortably with your principles. I have no faith - only the conclusions I have reached through rational thought and argument.

yours
Felix

That's a fine answer, Felix,

I just mentioned the questions (and was curious if your mind would come up with other non-orthodox ways) as a way to train our mind's eye about concepts we tend to deal with in more strict ways.

I like the Brahman principle, especially when you know that Hinduism is the oldest modern religion. It clearly is a very interesting concept between the old religions and the Middle-Eastern religions that conquered much of the world.

What I do like about Hinduism is the enormous amount of fluidity available, telling me a large amounts of concepts were brought into a single overarching concept.

I have some problems as well with Hindusim in that it is the first religion to claim itself to be correct and the others to be incorrect. As such, I do see it as part of creating/sustaining the troubles we are still dealing with.

It is good to see what the areas are of a belief and what can be considered knowledge, and how they sometimes come together.

Thank you for your reply.

[Steven A Colyer]

Hinduism is unique among the top 4 religions of the world in that its founding figure is lost to antiquity, so it is also the oldest. The religion with its trillion year Universal cycles is reminiscent of Big Bounce theory in Cosmology.

I like this Shiva thread very much, I am independently looking at a similar foundation map of reality.

Special Theory of Relativity puts a bit of the scotch on the luminiferous aether, it's an important challenge though and I will continue to think of how to work with it. Then again, your aether, as it is, is a bit different from the 1800's version.

The 2nd Law of Thermo and Special Relativity may break down on the smallest Planck-length scales according to intelligently informed current speculations by today's Quantum Gravitational Physicists.

[Felix Schrodinger]

Hi Steven

Hinduism is unique among the top 4 religions of the world in that its founding figure is lost to antiquity, so it is also the oldest. The religion with its trillion year Universal cycles is reminiscent of Big Bounce theory in Cosmology.

There's a lot more in Hinduism to commend it though its main messages have become obscured by the usual trappings that all religions acquire. Dhama is fundamental to my beliefs.

I like this Shiva thread very much, I am independently looking at a similar foundation map of reality.

Please let me know where to find it when it's available.

Special Theory of Relativity puts a bit of the scotch on the luminiferous aether, it's an important challenge though and I will continue to think of how to work with it. Then again, your aether, as it is, is a bit different from the 1800's version.

Actually neither SR nor the MM experiments did anything to dispove the existence of an aether - only the way they were interpreted.

The 2nd Law of Thermo and Special Relativity may break down on the smallest Planck-length scales according to intelligently informed current speculations by today's Quantum Gravitational Physicists.

Indeed both do and the 2nd Law has two glaring exceptions - both life and gravity cause entropy to decrease. SR and GR are only applicable to objects which are subject to decoherence, hence the scale of objects in the real world.

regards
Felix

[Steven A Colyer]

Please let me know where to find it when it's available.


regards
Felix

It's on my Introduction page, which is here:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/introd...en-colyer.html

I call it Pyron theory, so the quickest way there is:

http://tetrahedral.blogspot.com/

... but I still wish you'd read my introduction so you know my background. MY theory is in its infancy, but you have been working on yours for some time, so be gentle now. :-)

Incidentally, I came across your thread (and this whole website by extension) from what I consider to be the A-Number-1 Introduction to Quantum Physics website, which was written and is maintained by one Andrew Thomas of Wales in the UK. Here is the particular page from that website, go to the bottom of the Replies section and read the post by "Unknown." Was that YOU by the way, Felix?

http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reali...c_universe.asp

[MJA]

To dance truly unified or as equals with the energy and mass of the universe, with the rhythm and motion of her sway, takes only the absolute light of wisdom or the simple truth of One. The dance of Shiva is this Way.

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MJA

[Steven A Colyer]

To dance truly unified or as equals with the energy and mass of the universe, with the rhythm and motion of her sway, takes only the absolute light of wisdom or the simple truth of One. The dance of Shiva is this Way.

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MJA

I like poetry and find Hinduism fascinating, so thank you.

Hi Steven

Indeed both do and the 2nd Law has two glaring exceptions - both life and gravity cause entropy to decrease. SR and GR are only applicable to objects which are subject to decoherence, hence the scale of objects in the real world.

regards
Felix

In life, yes entropy decreases until the organism begins to decay (right after it peaks ... for example spine cartilage at age 20, brain at age 25, lungs at age 27, etc.), at which point entropy reverses course and increases.

Clumping via gravity actually increases entropy, if looked at from a volume-of-space point of view. Extreme example: a black hole. Click on the following link for a graphical-and-text explanation:

http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reali...ty_entropy.asp

Now Felix, I understand you have issues with The Big Bang. I do too, but see no need to go into that right now. However, I would like to mention that you give The Newtonian Interpretation of the speed of Gravity being instantaneous. It is simply not. It operates at either at the speed of light or 1% off. Please Wikipedia "Speed of gravity" to learn how we got to that conclusion, thanks.

I really like where your head is at on the whole foundational "from the bottom up" approach. Continued good luck on that. There will be roadblocks, but discouragement is not an option. Just assess the situation, back up enough, and go around the walls. You have time and your head is focused in the right direction. Good for you.

[MJA]

I like poetry and find Hinduism fascinating, so thank you.



In life, yes entropy decreases until the organism begins to decay (right after it peaks ... for example spine cartilage at age 20, brain at age 25, lungs at age 27, etc.), at which point entropy reverses course and increases.

Clumping via gravity actually increases entropy, if looked at from a volume-of-space point of view. Extreme example: a black hole. Click on the following link for a graphical-and-text explanation:

http://www.ipod.org.uk/reality/reali...ty_entropy.asp

Now Felix, I understand you have issues with The Big Bang. I do too, but see no need to go into that right now. However, I would like to mention that you give The Newtonian Interpretation of the speed of Gravity being instantaneous. It is simply not. It operates at either at the speed of light or 1% off. Please Wikipedia "Speed of gravity" to learn how we got to that conclusion, thanks.

I really like where your head is at on the whole foundational "from the bottom up" approach. Continued good luck on that. There will be roadblocks, but discouragement is not an option. Just assess the situation, back up enough, and go around the walls. You have time and your head is focused in the right direction. Good for you.

I like scientific theories but not nearly as much as truth.

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MJA

[Steven A Colyer]

TRUTH, BEAUTY and LOVE, MJA, yep.

I am currently exploring black holes and singularities because I have some issues with Felix's opinion about them. It's cool stuff in any event. I know what Hawking Radiation is but am having a hard time finding out about Black Hole Evaporation. Guess I'll have to Google in a more clever fashion.

[MJA]

TRUTH, BEAUTY and LOVE, MJA, yep.

I am currently exploring black holes and singularities because I have some issues with Felix's opinion about them. It's cool stuff in any event. I know what Hawking Radiation is but am having a hard time finding out about Black Hole Evaporation. Guess I'll have to Google in a more clever fashion.

Black holes Steven? Don't look close you might fall in.
But perhaps you already theoretically did.
A tip for ya: Theories like black holes evaporate by the simple light of truth.

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MJA

[Felix Schrodinger]

I really like where your head is at on the whole foundational "from the bottom up" approach.

Hi Steven

Just finished reading your paper on Pyronics. Very interesting for me as that's where I started out. I had a lot of diagrams experimenting with different shapes and also struggled with the problem of tesselation in three dimensions (though I didn't call it that). After some time, and some further developments, I lost interest in the basic shapes and assumed that the cube would serve best. In doing this I was more concerned with the mechanisms of WP duality and how to explain it. As I am not into complex equations and such, it seems to me to be more important to describe the salient features than the detail.

Yes, it's a bottom up approach and has developed to describe a number of features of the real world but I am still unable to adequately describe EM. I feel that it is all about the rotation (not spin) of the wave form as it moves through space but can't produce a diagram to illustrate it.

regards
Felix