Chronos's Secret: Part II

[Exsoteric]

This is the second part of Chronos's Secret; A new concept of time. In order to fully grasp the implications of this theory read the first part
before reading this second part (the pdf attachment at the bottom). Feel free to critic and advice.

Regards, Exsoteric

[austintorn@aol.com]

I read about time’s oscillations. Good stuff that contains many leads.

As you say, time is not linear, for the ticks of the Planck instants marching along are of discrete steps. Thus there is no absolute universal linear uninterrupted continuity. It’s just for practical purposes that—the instants being so tiny—we can usually ignore the discreteness.

As another note, there are no actual singularities, but just as near as they can be since they are limited to the Planck size. This removes some infinities.

Too, as you say, there is no reason time could not go backwards, so to speak, and fill up a flat tire on your car with air. It’s just not likely [but possible].

Perhaps a black hole transmits matter to the mirror universe, coming out of the Planck sphere somehow. Thus, the limit of the large meets the limit of the small.

I like Smolin, for he indicates that to truly find out everything, one must find what underlies space-time, thus achieving the ultimate of background independence.

[In string theory, which is background dependent, the theorists invent whatever background that will make their theory work.]

Consciousness, would seem to be a process, not a thing, and not fundamental, for we can simply turn it off with anesthesia, plus the brain is known to be processing information for 300 ms or so before it is presented in consciousness.

The hologramic approach would be that all that is out there is really interference patterns? Could be.

[Exsoteric]

I believe consciousness is like the particle/wave duality, it's always there, it's an intrinsic part of all things, it can't be turned off. I believe anesthesia doesn't turn it off, similarly in death, the connections becomes highly distorted and discontinuous.

Appreciate your comments, thanks

[austintorn@aol.com]

This is not about time, but we also become unconscious when energy levels fall, then drift off to sleep.

An epileptic whose corpus callosum is severed to separate the brain hemispheres develops two fairly independent consciousnesses [although the brain stem still connects to both sides of the brain]. In severe cases the right hand does not literally know what the left hand is doing.

Also, when we alter the brain, alterations in consciousness follow.

Consciousness seems to not only be a process, but the end point of the process.

Under anesthesia, the brain still processes information as it can, but we have no awareness of it in consciousness.

[Ian Weinberg]

What you have written is incredibly inspirational. I see some very exciting possibilities by overlapping your concepts with some of mine. See Theory of Universal Oscillation as well as Universal Oscillation-Force Fields. Both articles are in this section of Toequest. If we superimpose your time oscillation with my oscillation concept, we seem to arrive at a similar place. Very powerful synergy here.

[Exsoteric]

Hi,
Ian, thanks for your kind words. Yeah, I also see similarities but I can't pin point where. I lack the knowledge to fully grasp your concept All I can say is that a universe in which time oscillates is a universe (large scale) that itself must oscillate. The same thing is true for the micro scale, matter, energy, i.e., all things possess a wave nature, they vibrate or oscillate because of the oscillatory nature of time.

If you graph a single cycle of time you can see that during certain periods the "time wave" traverses a null point, (not quit a singularity though, in reality there is the Planck limit) during that instant space is non-local. But this non-locality is not limited to the Planck scale, in fact, I believe all quantum properties are amplified through the mechanics of destructive and constructive interference and so manifest at our large scale and that's why, I believe it (non-locality) can be observed in laboratories (the large scale).

Regards,

[Felix Schrodinger]

Hi Chrono

Interesting concept but I can't see where it's come from or where it's going. With respect to the conclusions on page 25, I have the following comments:

Space is fundamental - it's just space

Time is also fundamental and it is manifested as the vacuum energy which provides the real world mechanism for time to work

Time is continuous but discrete at the Planck level

Time does not reverse

Time has no shape as the term is not relevant to it

Time only exists with space as the vacuum energy needs somewhere to manifest itself.

As regards to the oscillations, I can't see the need for them to describe how time works.


On a more general note, your faith in Lee Smolin is not well founded. This the guy that thinks we will discover gravitons to be particles which fly back and forth between all massive objects just like photons! He has not realised that gravity is an effect of the curvature of space caused by mass.

Your concept of the Ur-particles is interesting and close to my own but I call them 'masons'

regards
Felix

[Exsoteric]

“Hi Chrono “
Hi,Felix and thanks for the feedback.

“Interesting concept but I can't see where it's come from or where it's going. With respect to the conclusions on page 25, I have the following comments:”


Where it comes from, not sure, but I can tell you where it’s going. Science needs “something” which will enable (help) it to explain many of the deep mysteries (most fundamental questions) it observes, such things as, symmetry, why do all things have an opposite, why is there matter and anti-matter. Can we generate an anti- gravity. What is matter? What is mass?

For example why is our universe expanding? Trying to explain the expansion using Newton’s law of attraction creates more questions then answers. Oscillating space-time (TIME) offers a solution as it provides, (reverse space-time under certain conditions) the generation of negative or repulsive gravitation.

Also, why do all processes manifest a rise and fall, a birth and death, a generation and decay as they evolve? Now that we know better, (using the oscillating time concept) can we really believe that a universe who’s most fundamental aspect, change, be the product of linear time! Isn’t it easier to believe all this is due to an imposed fundamental directive, time’s non-linear nature?

String and Loop Quantum gravity have discovered there is a smallest interval of time and space, the question is what causes time and space to manifest in this (discrete) manner? What generates discreteness in the first place? Think about it, to manifest a discrete nature, a thing must possess finite boundaries? The discrete appearance of an apple is due to it possessing finite boundaries. Boundaries exist only because time and space are both non-linear and finite and it is their vibrating nature which causes this.

Also, it is stated vibrating strings are the most fundamental units of substance, my question is why do they vibrate? Science answer to this is because they are made of vibrating energy? My question would be, why does energy vibrate? My point is, I believe because we lack an answer to those question in particular the last one, we don’t bring them up and we simply accept energy vibrates. But if we acknowledge time has an oscillatory nature and it is an intrinsic property of the most fundamental particle/substance, and this substance is the one science is searching for as the origin of matter and energy, then, we can comprehend why all the force carrier particles (such as the photon) vibrate, because they are made of a fundamental substance which itself vibrates!

If what I just stated were true we could even go on to postulate, all matter particles must also vibrate because they are made of this same fundamental substance. In fact, isn’t this what the particle/wave duality tells us, that matter has a wave nature!
Science needs a concept of time that will enhance its understanding of the universe. Currently in science time is simply a dead weight, a ballast it carries where ever it goes.

"Space is fundamental - it's just space"
To believe that space is, “just space” a vacuum or perhaps nothing is a fundamental error, but it hasn’t always been so, its a glitch that occurred in the early 20th century, and it generated a temporary gap (vacuum) in our thinking. I ask, how can you (science) expect to understand the fundamentals of a universe, when you’re suggesting the fundamentals it rest on (space and time) are mere nothings. How do you understand nothing? You don’t!
Luckily String theory is bringing us back on track, by postulating that space possesses many attributes. This has been such an important move that simply by doing this science is under going a revolution, it’s been saved from stagnation. Once again it’s on the move.


"Time is also fundamental and it is manifested as the vacuum energy which provides the real world mechanism for time to work"
There is no such thing as a vacuum, hence no vacuum energy, (Read, Henning Genz’s, theoretical physicist, book, Nothingness) but there is Planck energy and lots of it!


Time is continuous but discrete at the Planck level
Yes, time is discrete at the Planck scale, but why is it discrete? And why does it manifest a continuous nature at the large scale? If we acknowledge that time oscillates, these questions can be answered. First, time is discrete because we are only acknowledging or experiencing one aspect of its sine-wave nature. We don’t experience both aspect of this wave at once, if we did, we would then experience a continuous wave, but because we don’t, we only see a part of this wave, a piece of time, a discrete interval.


Time does not reverse
Reverse time is implicit in my oscillating time concept. As I have described it, it is sine-wave in nature and like any such wave it is comprised of dual and opposing values. And as I point out the formation of a black hole is the best example and proof that a time reversal has occurred.


"Time has no shape as the term is not relevant to it"
If you acknowledge space and time shares an intricate bond, then, if space has a shape, time also has the same shape. What I’m stating is that at the most fundamental level time and space (together) oscillate or vibrate and these vibrations give it a specific shape, I believe this shape is sinusoidal.

The following is just a curious note, but think about it,..... If time at this level is discrete and space at this level is discrete and they’re bonded together, doesn’t this make for a discrete, unit of space-time and if so couldn’t this then be the most fundamental unit of substance? Could it be that strings are made of this vibrating stuff?


"Time only exists with space as the vacuum energy needs somewhere to manifest itself."


"As regards to the oscillations, I can't see the need for them to describe how time works."
When you provide time with this attribute so many things begin to make sense. Remember, I stated and believe there is no such thing as time as an independent entity, in reality there is only an oscillating space-time and if we make it the most fundamental object (like string theory want to do with strings) then the whole universe opens up.
Why? Because in a universe who’s components, matter, space and energy, etc., including time possess a wave nature (vibrate) it is easier to provide an explanation for them. Because they can be tied directly to something science is trying to make sense of, the Holographic principal. I believe the universe we observe at the large scale is made manifest by the mechanics of constructive and destructive interference of waves, not the ordinary waves in a pond. I believe science will eventually (soon) discover this and they will use the language of Spin networks (loop quantum gravity), to begin constructing the basic framework of what is called the Holographic Approach. So why should time oscillate, because time, like all large scale phenomena needs to be defined and that definition will be provided through the holographic approach.
To set the record straight, String theory won’t be left behind it will also play a prominent role. Most, if not all the details, the bits and pieces concerning TOE will be provided by String theory. Both (LQG and String theory) will fit together like a puzzle. So not just time needs to be acknowledged as an oscillating entity, but everything else! Only this way will TOE be solved.


"On a more general note, your faith in Lee Smolin is not well founded. This the guy that thinks we will discover gravitons to be particles which fly back and forth between all massive objects just like photons! He has not realised that gravity is an effect of the curvature of space caused by mass".
Isaac Newton who is considered a mastermind among genius’s had a lot of crazy ideas. Not everything suggested by science or comming out of the mouths of physicists are true, but many things are, and so we must try to understand and scrutinize everything we hear and read and make our best judgment.


"Your concept of the Ur-particles is interesting and close to my own but I call them 'masons"
My Ur-particle is basically a unit of vibrating space-time, it shares the property of oscillating (vibrating) and in that sense only, it is similar to a string. Because a string can have many types of vibrational patterns, in fact they can possess an infinite number of vibrational patterns (crazy). But of these infinite patterns only a limited number are used in string theory, the ones that best define the basic properties of particle science observes, such as mass, charge, etc.
On the other hand, there is only one type of Ur-particle and it possesses one constant frequency. And contrary to strings, in my universe the properties of particles are defined by the different configurations the ur-particles can comprise. In other words, the elementary particles (quarks and nucleons) like the elements above them are generated by geometrical configurations. As an example an electron and a proton are configured (geometrically) in such a way to produce the hydrogen atom, add another electron, proton and neutron to the configuration and and a new configuration is created and you have a helium atom.
Recall, the Ur-particle is a unit of space-time which possesses both a positive (forward and reverse) and negative aspect, hence, this one particle can change into either a positive or negative unit. Thus, a ¯Ur-particle (negative, reverse space-time unit) can also be generated and it is from this particle that all anti-particles and anti-matter is made, in short an entire mirror universe. All principals and properties concerning this particle are the same as those concerning the regular (positive).
Tell me about your masons.

Regards, exsoteric

[Felix Schrodinger]

Hi Exsoteric

I'm a great fan of Occam so my approach is to look for something simple and to explain things in the simplest terms possible. This lead me to the conclusion that the rejection of the aether is the source of all that is wrong with physics today. Trying to explain reality with no underlying structure simply does not work. Once you accept a background then everything becomes much easier to explain and these explanations (for me at least) usually involve the linking of familiar principles in new ways.

My explanation for time can be found at URL[http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...ce-shiva.html]. It is based on the concept of decoherence but add a third requirement which is provided by the vacuum energy (something we all know about but don't know what it does?).

The 'mason' (pronounced like maison, the French for house) is the source of all of the components which make up real world particles. My aether consists of links and nodes which connect all points in space; the links are gravitons and the nodes are maisons from which our matter springs forth when a particle is created through decoherence. In my model spacetime does not vibrate - the gravitons do.

None of my concepts are entirely new; they all exist in physics today but I have joined them together to make a paradigm which produces quantum gravity and explains many other phenomena such as the weak force and Casimir.

I reject the expansion of the universe and believe in a steady state; each galaxy being formed through its own little bang. God knows, there's enough evidence from Hubble for this.

I think we have sufficient common ground to debate so get back to me when you have looked at my model.

regards
Felix

[Exsoteric]

"Hi Exsoteric"
Hi felix
“I'm a great fan of Occam so my approach is to look for something simple and to explain things in the simplest terms possible. This lead me to the conclusion that the rejection of the aether is the source of all that is wrong with physics today. Trying to explain reality with no underlying structure simply does not work. Once you accept a background then everything becomes much easier to explain and these explanations (for me at least) usually involve the linking of familiar principles in new ways”.

I too subscribe to Occam philosophy and most of the years I’ve put into developing my concept have been dedicated to its simplification. I strongly believe if you can’t explain something using simple words, then you really don’t understand it.

“My explanation for time can be found at URL[http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...ce-shiva.html]. It is based on the concept of decoherence but add a third requirement which is provided by the vacuum energy (something we all know about but don't know what it does?)”.

Your right, time and space are two completely different things. But I don’t believe there is a time particle, (chronon) but there is a space-time particle. I don’t agree with the concepts “collapse of the wave function” and “probability waves”, like the "uncertainty principal" science has developed these interpretations because nothing better has been proposed. The brain can’t even begin to visualize these things and more then anything these ideas have only led us into the labyrinth of abstract mathematics.

The job of decoherence is to bring a quantum system (untangles superposition of states) into an apparently classical state. What especially differentiates a quantum system from a classical system is the concept of a superposition of states. Decoherence is use to explain the large scale universe. (http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~tim/open/main/node2.html)

Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space even when devoid of matter (known as free space). The vacuum energy is deduced from the concept of virtual particles, which are themselves derived from the energy-time uncertainty principle. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy)

“The 'mason' (pronounced like maison, the French for house) is the source of all of the components which make up real world particles. My aether consists of links and nodes which connect all points in space; the links are gravitons and the nodes are maisons from which our matter springs forth when a particle is created through decoherence. In my model spacetime does not vibrate - the gravitons do. None of my concepts are entirely new; they all exist in physics today but I have joined them together to make a paradigm which produces quantum gravity and explains many other phenomena such as the weak force and Casimir.”
I can’t say I agree with your mason concept which you define as being analogous to a ball of string, for instance what are these strings made of? Energy! I believe, though science defines the Higgs boson and the graviton as being different they are probably the same thing. The ur-particle or space-time unit I propose is very similar to the Higgs boson, but, it also manifests as the basic unit of mass/energy.

“I reject the expansion of the universe and believe in a steady state;. God knows, there's enough evidence from Hubble for this.”
There is ample evidence for an expanding universe, I don’t fight it I embrace it and I consider my concept explains it. I believe as you suggest each galaxy is formed through its own little big bang. In fact, I believe it all starts with the black hole at their center.

“I think we have sufficient common ground to debate so get back to me when you have looked at my model”
You have many interesting and some similar ideas and though debating can be constructive, I’m not really here to debate, but to acquire feedback to fine tune my own ideas. Even though they state the contrary, most if not all forums don’t really cater to that, it usually boils down to turf wars and who is the smartest and most aggressive poster. I’m not saying this is wrong, but it’s not conducive to the generation of a real breakthrough. Besides everyone should have the right to express their thoughts and I thank ToeQuest for the opportunity. My concept of oscillating time (space-time) is quite set in my mind (non-negotiable) and forms only part of a larger framework I have developed, which includes explanations for inertia, spin, time dilation, length contraction, expanding universe, particle/wave duality, Strings, area and volume, holographic principal, non-locality, quantum gravity, cosmogenesis, etc., etc., etc..

Also, I have some general ideas for creating devices, for example, real teleportation (transport of objects, not like a FAX machine), also the transmission of power through hyperspace using a quantum device, so the power driving a craft doesn’t have to be built into it. I have an idea for a negative gravitation generator (antigravity), etc.. I believe small experimental devices could be created (proof of concept) in each one of these areas, but I’m not an inventor. And to really understand how all these things might work requires a full understanding of my concepts.

Regards,