Qualia

[Robert]

I have added an attachment to the starting post so you can download the mind map and view with a free viewer. I also included a link so you can view the mind map using Internet Explorer and a free plugin viewer. See the forum intro for more details.

[michellemfry]

Is the only key to an original thought geometry alone? All I have to do is bend my mind in an original way and an original qualia forms? This fascinates me more and more already.

[Guille]

Is the only key to an original thought geometry alone? All I have to do is bend my mind in an original way and an original qualia forms? This fascinates me more and more already.

I think it's wrong to use geometry to describe thought, for the simple fact that geometry is usefull to describe the physical world (and, actually, it only describes a hypothetical "perfect" world) and thoughts are of the mind. I think the onyl math that can be used to describe thoughts are: logic, to make a logical understanding of thought sequence, thought development... And probability, to study independent and dependent thoughts, the probability that there is for a thought to occur under x circumstances, how thoughts connect...

[David Maes]

I think Qualia is some kind of gubbuk.

When you have done the dishes and in the little basket of the washing-up-machine there is just one spoon left, then I call this spoon a 'gubbuk'.

[michellemfry]

I believe qualia exist. They are incommunicable events. How often we have had to utter the words, You wouldn't understand. Knowing that the other person lacks the experience to comprehend the qualia.

[Guille]

all the horses I see make up my whole idea of “horse”. However, the thing is that my idea of horse is not a fact. My idea is true because it is a set of experiences of horses, and thus all the properties and qualities I give to the idea of horse are true, but I do not give all of which they are. There are properties of horses which I do not include in my idea of horse, that is why my idea of horse is not complete, although is true. Another problem is that my idea is just an idea, so it does not contain all the horses and properties, it just includes them (the horses are not in my idea; they form my idea).

[michellemfry]

I'm confused Guille, does that mean you believe that qualia exist? Your example tells me much except your conclusion.

[Guille]

I'm confused Guille, does that mean you believe that qualia exist? Your example tells me much except your conclusion.

Deep and transcendental philosophical problems such as "Does Qualia Exist?" are too big as to be answered directly. This is why I first post about our ideas, and how they relate and differ to the world. Also I should not ethat there is a differnece between the objects of qualia an qualia themselves. Because My idea of horse is an object of qualia, not a qualia. A qualia is that which let us have objects of qualia: for example anger. The fact that I anger exists in me impplies that I can have objects in it, and I do, I have anger to things. But the question is wheather we can say that qualia exist still knowing that it's objects can't prove it because they are not factual (although yes true). Hard question, I will develop some thoughts on it trhoughout this morning, and hope to post an argumentation before lunch.

[SB_UK]

Is the only key to an original thought geometry alone? All I have to do is bend my mind in an original way and an original qualia forms? This fascinates me more and more already.

can geometry describe any structure ?

at the level of mind there must be structure -
the mind of man seems too regular -
- we thrive on making sense of things

- the 'gestalt' - when we 'get' something is quite pleasant

to work out how the mind works though
(the mechanics of the mind) -
we need journey beyond the world of structure.

Structure needs to be blossom from and be imposed upon a kinda' multi-purpose putty.

Our heads are radio transmitter/receivers for a standing wave which encircles planet Earth -
we also have a standing wave which encircles our CNS -

- these are the planetary Schumann resonance waveforms at 8 Hz and human dopaminergic circuit (firing rate at 8 Hz also).

- the purpose of building our mind is to allow an internal CNS circuit to man to form which can connect the planetary to human wave forms -

- this is the basis of communication between human beings and explains why we see Maya from Hinduism, Maya/n from a geographically distant culture alongside Mary -

and Magnetism also (I think) -

- it's a kinda' wireless global connection which we can traceback to well before computers graced the planet.

[leskey]

Hi, Robert.

I've stumbled upon this thread...not sure that it's still active...

Qualia may be the result of the overarching connectivity of the nervous system. From Wiki:



Basal ganglia

The basal ganglia (or basal nuclei) are a group of nuclei in the brain interconnected with the cerebral cortex, thalamus and brainstem. Mammalian basal ganglia are associated with a variety of functions: motor control, cognition, emotions, and learning. In modern use the term 'ganglia' is in this instance considered a misnomer; 'ganglion' refers to concentrations of neural nuclei in the periphery only (for example those of the autonomic nervous system), and the term 'basal nuclei' is preferred.

Pyramidal cell

Early postnatal development
Pyramidal cells in rats have been shown to undergo many rapid changes during early postnatal life. Between postnatal days 3 and 21, pyramidal cells have been shown to double in the size of the soma, increase in length of the apical dendrite by five fold, and increase in basal dendrite length by thirteen fold. Other changes include the lowering of the membrane’s resting potential, reduction of membrane resistance, and in increase in the peak values of action potentials.

Action potential

In neurophysiology, the action potential is a self-regenerating wave of electrochemical activity that allows nerve cells to carry a signal over a distance. It is the primary electrical signal generated by nerve cells, and arises from changes in the permeability of the nerve cell's axonal membranes to specific ions. Action potentials (also known as nerve impulses or spikes) are pulse-like waves of voltage that travel along several types of cell membranes.[1] The best-understood example of an action potential is that which is generated on the membrane of the axon of a neuron, but also appears in other types of excitable cells, such as cardiac muscle cells, and even plant cells.




When trying to qualify qualia, the example of inseparable, siamese twins sharing the same body may be an interesting example. These people obviously share identical DNA and inescapably, the same experiences, yet take great pains to assure others that they are separate individuals who have separate personalities and identities. This more sharply puts into focus the nature of qualia.

"NOTHING IS. EVERYTHING IS BECOMING." - Heraclitus (Thanks for the quote, Melanie)

Qualia could be the dynamic process by which accrued linear input of diverse sensations, experiences and feelings are interpreted by the consciousness of predispositioned, individual, sentient lifeforms in order to allow the creative output of an intuitive continuum of actions based upon reason and emotion, within the holistic randomness of space/time.

The objective processing within the perceived "reality" places motive (and the duality of cause and effect) at the centre of all that is ultimately created (action).

It may be that the psychopath/sociopath is the anit-reductionist "zombie," who is disconnected from conscience, introspection, or internal dialogue. The psychopath is "ego-centric, lacking empathy, guilt, remorse, poor social-relatedness, little anxiety, high levels of agression, etc....He cannot process feelings into emotion and acts without consideration for the consequences of his actions; instead all his efforts, under no matter what guise represent investments to satisfy his immediate wishes and desires." ("Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us" by Dr Robert D Hare).

My personal philosophising is that without the dynamic which has the potential to arrive at the key emotion: altruistic love and it's attributes of empathy and compassion, sentient life may continue to survive but, in may fail to launch it's own potential - like the dinosaurs, it would be without a future.