Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-14-2007, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RascalPuff
Is not expansion - accelerating expansion - the dominant micro-macro paradigm?
There are exceptions to the expansive rule of course, Greg.
Did you have something particularly non-supportive in mind?
Kewl Kukumbers,
- RP
Hmmmm .... Not quite sure what you mean.
But in a closed system where everything increases proportionally, which is my understanding of your theory ... then ... redshift would be an exception.
It would be the odd man out, ratios and proportions would be broken.
puzzled ... greg
'Blondie says I must hate all Brunettes. I'll try, but if I can't ... I'll love them both' ... graffiti on Tavern wall, Pompeii, circa AD 70.
Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-14-2007, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Graybeard
Hmmmm .... Not quite sure what you mean.
But in a closed system where everything increases proportionally, which is my understanding of your theory ... then ... redshift would be an exception.
It would be the odd man out, ratios and proportions would be broken.
puzzled ... greg
Matter and light, those are the disproportionate factors having the same qualitative identity, but different rates of expansion.
Matter, relative to light, is the 'odd man out', and conversely.
That is, there is a red shift in the model I'm submitting.
There's a red shift between everything that's moving away from everything else, out of the past, into the present and on to the future - Moments, A, B, C, etceteras...
Does that help any?
- RP
(George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-14-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Graybeard
Rascal ... are you saying that matter and light are complementary. ??
That is novel ...... ????
cool bananas ... greg
Sweet and short a novel as the squared factor, in E=MC2.
Kewl Kukumbers.
- RP
(George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-14-2007, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Graybeard
I get it Brother .... LOL
But what makes you think the M in that formula refers to matter ??
cool bananas ... greg
Okay Greg, yer being more flip than usual in this matter...
The prudent question is - now that you've floored it - what makes you think that E=MC2 doesn't mean, what it means? A translation on my part at this time and circumstance would be distilled rhetoric.
Kewl Kukumbers,
- RP
(George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-14-2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RascalPuff
Okay Greg, yer being more flip than usual in this matter...
The prudent question is - now that you've floored it - what makes you think that E=MC2 doesn't mean, what it means? A translation on my part at this time and circumstance would be distilled rhetoric.
Kewl Kukumbers,
- RP
Hmmmm .... It could mean mice ... or men .... or mass ?
My own feeling ... or my distilled feeling from what I have read or learnt from others on this forum is that matter is a very difficult term to describe.
We don't say that this big lump of stuff weighs 90kg ... we say that this big lump of stuff has a mass of 90 kg.
10 kg of iron or 10 kg of fairy floss will still result in the same answer for 'E'
So far as I know you are not claiming that mass is expanding, just matter ?
cool bananas ... greg
'Blondie says I must hate all Brunettes. I'll try, but if I can't ... I'll love them both' ... graffiti on Tavern wall, Pompeii, circa AD 70.
Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-14-2007, 10:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graybeard
Hmmmm .... It could mean mice ... or men .... or mass ?
My own feeling ... or my distilled feeling from what I have read or learnt from others on this forum is that matter is a very difficult term to describe.
We don't say that this big lump of stuff weighs 90kg ... we say that this big lump of stuff has a mass of 90 kg.
10 kg of iron or 10 kg of fairy floss will still result in the same answer for 'E'
So far as I know you are not claiming that mass is expanding, just matter ?
cool bananas ... greg
It (the renowned enchilada) means:
mice, men, fairy floss, matter, mass, and the all important arbiter of slapstick.
Kewl Kukumbers,
- RP
(George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-15-2007, 04:25 PM
Hey Greg:
I think Google massively agrees with both of us on the matter
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Kewl Kukumbers, - RP
(George Berkeley, 1710) ... lay the beginning in a distinct explication of what is meant by thing, reality, existence: for in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.
"All things come out of the one and the one out of all things." - Heraclitus "Reality is an illusion - albeit a persistent one." - Einstein "Particles give me a headache." - Ibid
Re: RedShift Reprise - Expansion, Pro & Con -
12-15-2007, 04:42 PM
I fail to see what the matter is when people don't go to mass at christmas, but that's just me.
If a trillion tons of mass can be condensed within a point of matter or dispersed throughout an infinite field, how can they be consider the same if a point or infinite field aren't necessarily equal to a trillion tons?
Also, would the variable decay rates or conversion of mass to energy relate to the observed spectral shifts?
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