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    Michael Faraday never received any formal education. He was truly a self made genius who became the world best known experimentalist in the infant development for the science of electricity and magnetism circa 1830s. He did all his works and discoveries in an era where the cumbersome Voltaic piles battery was beginning to show its usefulness in various technological applications. Although his mathematical knowledge was completely nonexistence he made up this abstract shortcoming by his fully developed concrete mental state of fertilized imagination. He was the first to conceptualize the existence of field lines of force for describing electrical and magnetic interactions.

    During his rise to fame and fortune in the scientific community he had to clean up other people’s mess as a janitor or custodian, sweeping floors in the science labs and auditorium, doing dirty laundries for the professors at the university, tidying their offices and many other menial chores. While working as an apprentice bookbinder he used to reading all of the books that he was binding, learning everything from A to Z. His contagious enthusiasm on anything scientific was recognized and impressed several influential people who helped him get tickets for attending lectures and science exhibits.

    His lines of force as a classical theory of fields were the other options for a solution to the philosophical problem concerning Newtonian action-at-a-distance of classical particle physics of gravitation. This embarrassing problem most Newtonian believer would like to sweep under the rug without even as much as offering any slight indication toward plausible explanation. His lectures on the electromagnetic induction were widely popular and well received with numerous rave reviews and recommendations. It was one of these exhibitions that encourage Maxwell to formalize them into mathematical symbols. With no reservation, it can be said that without Faraday’s field lines of force, Maxwell could never have written the treatises on the classical theory of electromagnetism.

    Contrary to the secondary force of gravity, electromagnetic force switches back and forth being primary and secondary alternating between strong and weak electric and magnetic field thus preserving an inherent local-global symmetry configuration for the attraction and repulsion of electric charges. Nevertheless, these lines of force could never have described the reality of color charges and the more fundamental concept of space-time charges. The later requires the quantization of squares of energy as quanta of space-time.
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]˛=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c˛

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    Old Faraday was to Maxwell what Shroedingger was for Dirac (I think).

    Could faraday's lines have anything to do with the lines of which Einstein talked about in GR, the geodesic lines?

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    spacetime curvature

    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    Could faraday's lines have anything to do with the lines of which Einstein talked about in GR, the geodesic lines?
    In the tradition of Jedi order. There is always a master and an apprentice or padawan. I am now reading a book which suggested that Maxwell could have been Einstein's Jedi master. He did revere both Maxwell and Newton by hanging their posters in his office at Princeton. I think the geodesic lines are shortest distances in a curved spacetime geometry?
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]˛=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c˛

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao
    In the tradition of Jedi order. There is always a master and an apprentice or padawan. I am now reading a book which suggested that Maxwell could have been Einstein's Jedi master. He did revere both Maxwell and Newton by hanging their posters in his office at Princeton. I think the geodesic lines are shortest distances in a curved spacetime geometry?
    As I believe that minds themselves hve the same essence independently of the type, and also thoughts, I like making comparisons between different kind of geniuses. Just like Einstein had posters of newton and maxwell, Wagner, the composer, had them of Mozart and Haydn. But let's not forget old Nietzsche, who hated not only all philosophers, from Hegel to Kant to Plato, but also hated Wagner (who was a good friend of Nietzsche's father, this was the anakin-luke confrontment).

    Yes, geodesic lines are shortest distances in a curved spacetime geometry. What are faraday's lines representing? By the way did he use lagrange's or hamilton's work (I believe he used the first's because hamilton was around later, but I'm not sure)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    What are faraday's lines representing? By the way did he use lagrange's or hamilton's work
    Faraday's lines of force describe the orientation of extended objects for Coulomb's electrostatic inverse square law.
    A good friend of Maxwell is Tait. Tait and Hamilton invented quaternions and quaternion is related to vector which were formalized later by Gibb and Heaviside. Electromagnetism can only be described using quaternion or vector analysis with 3 dimensional inner and outer products. There wasn't any mathematical vectors during the time of Lagrange. Lagrange worked on analytical mechanics as extension of Newtonian point mechanics.
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]˛=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c˛

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao
    Faraday's lines of force describe the orientation of extended objects for Coulomb's electrostatic inverse square law.
    A good friend of Maxwell is Tait. Tait and Hamilton invented quaternions and quaternion is related to vector which were formalized later by Gibb and Heaviside. Electromagnetism can only be described using quaternion or vector analysis with 3 dimensional inner and outer products. There wasn't any mathematical vectors during the time of Lagrange. Lagrange worked on analytical mechanics as extension of Newtonian point mechanics.
    For some stupid reason I prefer physicists and philosophers that have longer names. That all forces are described today by vectors doesn't mean that we should abandon scalars. The re-formulation of GR could be done by the matrix of scalars instead, and as shown by Penrose, these can be extended to twistors. This would mean an easy way to get the GUT.

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    on the contrary

    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    That all forces are described today by vectors doesn't mean that we should abandon scalars.
    The search for the Higgs boson is a search for a scalar boson.
    Einstein's general relativity replaced vector force by the scalar curvature of spacetime.
    The modern concept of force is replaced by the concept of field interactions. Force is really an archaic physics term.
    Last edited by AntonioLao; 01-27-2006 at 12:00 PM. Reason: field over force
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]˛=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c˛

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao
    The search for the Higgs boson is a search for a scalar boson.
    Einstein's general relativity replaced vector force by the scalar curvature of spacetime.
    The modern concept of force is replaced by the concept of field interactions. Force is really an archaic physics term.
    Aren't all fundamental entities archaic physics terms? Energy, for example, and dimension also. Also we don't really know what quanta is, for we keep discovering smaller particles. And we don't know what we mean by cosmology, as we don't know what our universe is or if there are other. neither do we know what 'anti matter' really is. This is the reason I like physics, that most thing we don't know, and philosophy is all about what we don't know.

    Also, the sense of scalar curvature of spacetime is yet not defined, for spacetime is not defined. Where are the particles of force? Where are the electrons? are they intrisic to the structure, are they the structure itself, are they inhered but not in the structure, arethey between matter and the structure....? Instead of looking for what particles, or the higgs, we should look for where are these in relation to matter and dimensions. By the way, I believe the idea of field just as that of wave is an illusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GUILLE
    Where are the particles of force? Where are the electrons?
    The best up to date theory(ies) that can provide explanations is quantum field theories. There are many different versions. Some are even contradictory. These are researches in progress.
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]˛=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c˛

 

 

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