[melanie]

Originally Posted by Sapius Melanie, Hi! I’m not sure in which thread I found this post a few days ago, so I will post it here since it seems relative. Its strange that you use UG’s quote below, who totally rejected all the enlightened and prophets, and yet profess what I think you believe in your above post. .

hi S

ugk rejected the idea/concept termed ''enlightenment''
also the idea of any prophets.

ugk had a radical approach to the ''philosophy of oneness''
and therefore all concepts such as ''spiritual'' ... ''enlightened masters'' teachers etc
or the ... '' religious money bu$ine$$ organizations''
these ideas were totally repugnant to his 'being'

He never wrote any of his books either,
so as not to claim any personal ownership,
or authority over this subject of ONENESS.
he just narrated his message in a dialog with a second party present,
and they subsequently wrote his books.

He does away with all this conceptual nonsense of religious/spiritual terminology.

Remember contradiction and paradox mutually arise in ONENESS.
and every-thing in language is conceptual, or dualistic.

An arrow points 'out there' but it can never point to itself.

There is only ONE self.

'' flush that out '' .... was one of his favorite sayings.

melanie.

[MJA]

A myriad bubbles were floating on the surface of a stream. 'What are you?' I cried to them as they drifted by. 'I am a bubble, of course' nearly a myriad bubbles answered, and there was surprise and indignation in their voices as they passed. But, here and there, a lonely bubble answered, 'We are this stream', and there was neither surprise nor indignation in their voices, but just a quiet certitude. - Ask the Awakened by Wei Wu Wei

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by MJA A myriad bubbles were floating on the surface of a stream. 'What are you?' I cried to them as they drifted by. 'I am a bubble, of course' nearly a myriad bubbles answered, and there was surprise and indignation in their voices as they passed. But, here and there, a lonely bubble answered, 'We are this stream', and there was neither surprise nor indignation in their voices, but just a quiet certitude. - Ask the Awakened by Wei Wu Wei

Like it MJA,the river of life has us in its current,best we go with the flow,what say you?

regards michael.

[G_burnett]

Hi mel

never knowing what some form/idea/term/concept etal ... IS then falls under the category of being unlearned and indicative of education needed by "birth" for an example, in the gather of form ... anything else would deny your humanity good or bad alive or dead ... the great all, liking it or not ...?

the #2 q i have for you is the spelling of U K last name ... does it not have a T in it?

Peace! Graham

[melanie]

Originally Posted by G_burnett Hi mel never knowing what some form/idea/term/concept etal ... IS then falls under the category of being unlearned and indicative of education needed by "birth" for an example, in the gather of form ... anything else would deny your humanity good or bad alive or dead ... the great all, liking it or not ...? the #2 q i have for you is the spelling of U K last name ... does it not have a T in it? Peace! Graham

Oh yes ! !

i hadn't noticed that ... thanks G_burnett

i see it needs a T .. you are quite right.

fixed now!

[mkirkpatrick]

When we begin to know ourselves,begin to understand the connectivity of all apparent
things,we also begin to align ourselves with the inner monitor,that of higher self/soul,
when this is locked into sequence,then we tend to become "authentic" "real" and our actions are more spontaneous and less thought out!

With this also comes the realization that consciousness is the underlying reality within
all existence,and is basically the primal mover and shaker of all phenomena.



regards michael.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by melanie Oh yes ! ! i hadn't noticed that ... thanks G_burnett i see it needs a T .. you are quite right. fixed now!

http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/reuters/...43881620080306
now that you corrected it Melanie
the above will link to new findings on happiness an hopefully remove the example of UK you cite as a posting for what a watchword on your refrigerator? respect of a true revolutionary?

Che had the same social identity deficientcy if i remember him right, and the same process of thought and i can not comment of Bin Laden having never met the pompous idiot who seems to think this way as well ..

the conceptual picture where if the persona does not know something and therefore can not have conception of it is only from the process of "criticism self criticism," "the mark of a true revolutionary," said by some for purposes like above to gather others for a bad dysfunctional anti social cause but the tossing out of things in ones life where they are not ... lets say, maybe relevant, so as they do not have to effect your psi/life/emotional response/eg ? is where i subscribe to the process in full recognition of my human persona and FREEDOM of persona will to do so, and i believe it can be used to further ones consciousness of what makes for a better life more realistically in persona opinion not forgetting relativity ... or ethical standards of research into opinion's "need" of good fact ... (Search CASS for a good ref.)

Peace Graham!
see you in the pub heh heh

[melanie]

Originally Posted by G_burnett http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/reuters/...43881620080306 now that you corrected it Melanie the above will link to new findings on happiness an hopefully remove the example of UK you cite as a posting for what a watchword on your refrigerator? respect of a true revolutionary? Che had the same social identity deficientcy if i remember him right, and the same process of thought and i can not comment of Bin Laden having never met the pompous idiot who seems to think this way as well .. the conceptual picture where if the persona does not know something and therefore can not have conception of it is only from the process of "criticism self criticism," "the mark of a true revolutionary," said by some for purposes like above to gather others for a bad dysfunctional anti social cause but the tossing out of things in ones life where they are not ... lets say, maybe relevant, so as they do not have to effect your psi/life/emotional response/eg ? is where i subscribe to the process in full recognition of my human persona and FREEDOM of persona will to do so, and i believe it can be used to further ones consciousness of what makes for a better life more realistically in persona opinion not forgetting relativity ... or ethical standards of research into opinion's "need" of good fact ... (Search CASS for a good ref.) Peace Graham! see you in the pub heh heh

Hi,

Sorry G but i'm not quite sure i've followed you're post , and i mean that quite humbly, but what i would like to say is this, is my cat happy?
'my' answer is... i don't know,

warm regards melanie.

[G_burnett]

Originally Posted by melanie Hi, Sorry G but I'm not quite sure I've followed you're post , and i mean that quite humbly, but what i would like to say is this, is my cat happy? 'my' answer is... i don't know, warm regards melanie.

happiness, the determination of such, being conscious of such, the recognition of, all is relative.

Relative to what becomes the question.

We know what unhappiness is at times and using what happiness is not we can find happiness.

A hunter in Africa sees an Elephant in the distance and shoots at it. Just before the bullet finds its mark the elephant lets out a shrill bleat and jumps ten feet in the air and comes down after the bullet passes squishing the mouse that startled him with a quark when a flea jumped to his butt being stimulated by a dust mite eating what he thought was dead flea cells but was part of a scab caused by a virus known as the black plague.

The elephant came down hard breaking its neck , squashing the mouse, suffocating the flea who in a last death throw spit a collective viral clump to a splinter of wood also broken by the elephants crash and the dust mite is irrelevant at this point of the story.

The hunter yells YEA! runs over to check his bag and unable to see a bullet wound checks things over close and gets a splinter into his hand, THE splinter ... leaving the carcass of the elephant to his porters he goes home and in a few days he is dead covered in black puss-ed up blisters.

who was happy? the porters who got to eat the elephant, the wife of the hunter maybe? .... one might ever argue the virus was is and will be .. ? but we do know who was to personal opinion based on the evidence presented, more likely unhappy as events took place right? this is the process of using not logic.

and when a rubbed pussy purrs, slobbers and gets wet, its a no-brainer to understand happiness was made manifest in empathy!

Peace! Graham

[mkirkpatrick]

However fantastic or outrageous it might seem we are a product of mind,absolute mind of
which we are products of.That same mind is the home of universal consciousness of which
we all use to express ourselves and have "our" being.

We exist within this vast ocean of mindfulness each looking for explanations of our very
existence,who are we?What are we?And prehaps more importantly where are we?These
are all valid questions which can and are answered,however often we find it very difficult
to accept.



regards michael.