Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E.

[mkirkpatrick]

Carl Young,had a brilliant mind,and I think ahead of his time.Consciousness and intelligence are I think both linked in with spin=vortex, they are interconnected, and bound together, a force of spinning mindfulness, if we can accept and open our somewhat blinkered eyes, and see that there is indeed intelligence at work in spinning factory of universal vortexes, we could then very easily find a way to measure this phenomena. Which if done, would very easily explain the totality of universal manifestation from beginning to end, and would also by implication suggest what happens then?????

Facts do not cease because they are ignored; (Aldous Huxley) On other posts within this thread I have indicated how many in main stream physics are coming to the conclusion that the universe is basically intelligence personified and that this intelligence is expressed in a ubiquitous consciousness that is evident in all existence. There is a universal harmony, even amid the apparent chaos. All operates under law and one universal law melds perfectly into another, there are no spaces, no gaps, no undefined "left overs" zilch? The fact that this cosmos is enlivened by ubiquitous intelligence, is pretty evident to most, although the hardline materialist will more than likely remain unconvinced. So we need a mathematical formula to express this,I am absolutely hopeless at mathematical formulas, and require the assistance of those who can write the numbers down, so please all thereof you out there in cyberland, fellow toequesters, can you all put together an equation that will do the job?
kind regards michael

There has been a tremendous response to this thread,and some really good ideas have arisen from this, there is I feel now a need to try and condence these ideas into a workable formula, and thats where we all need to try and focus, it would be a wonderful achievement from all ofus if we could present a united front with a mathamatical equation thatwould indeed unite all loose ends! Are we all up for it, I wonder?

kind regards michael.

[Guille]

michael,

I also believe we should unite the ideas, but instead of having a mathematical equation as product, it should be a theory of mind. If we want to have a mathematical equation, we must quantitize consciousness, and how could we do this? It would make no sense. So we should develop a theory of mind which unites the philosophy of mind, psicology, anthropology and the TOE.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you amigo,for your thoughtful input,how would we quantitize concsciousness? It would make no sense,you say! Well prehaps you are right, however, how does consciousness express itself in our daily lives? The whole planet is full of people who are in effect, moving breathing embodiments of consciousness! How could this not be quantitized? Are you saying that the most basic visual reality of livingness, mindfulness personified, cannot be expressed as an equation?If that is so then we are still pretty ignorant of expressing the motion and flow of mind through form? Developing a theory of philosophy,and psychology,and linking it with anthropology is a good one.
I think that this can be done,who was it that said, "where there is a will,there is a way"?

kind regards michael.

[Mohan.C]

Wow... sounds good "No equation" but people never accept something which cannot be meddled by Mathematics. Mathematics is the proof Michael scientists are consumed by math. But the ideas of conciousness it has no limits. It can, not only explain what is the actual thing, but predict some unusual things. Which can mislead humanity, Don't you think?

What does "[username] is on a distinguished road" mean and what is "Rep power".

[mkirkpatrick]

Mohan, it means that you are indeed on a distinguished road, as our we all, Roberts idea of encouragement I suppose? Rep power, is I think to do with your power to influence! What unusual things did you have in mind, my friend? I would really like to know.You could well be right about not being accepted if no mathamatical equation is forthcoming!

kind regards michael.

[Mohan.C]

Mohan, it means that you are indeed on a distinguished road, as our we all, Roberts idea of encouragement I suppose? Rep power, is I think to do with your power to influence! What unusual things did you have in mind, my friend? I would really like to know.You could well be right about not being accepted if no mathamatical equation is forthcoming!

kind regards michael.

What I had in mind was that thought originates from conciousness. But you see, what harm a thought can do It could lead us to a very wrong path. Like paradoxes, nature does not have paradoxes but we find paradoxes in it. We don't accept it the way it is. You see, though TOE may explain everything. It cannot quench the thirst of man. Like.....its hard to explain but I will try....... I heard somewhere " Universe provides for everything for what a man needs but not for what Man greeds" It's like that the TOE if it is unlocked just becomes a fragment of the universe and we won't sop till we find something that does not exist with it. That means we meddle with it.
I just hope I have made myself clear there are still many things I can't put in words.

[mkirkpatrick]

Mohan,you made some interesting points in your last post,your reference to having what we need,but not what we want, is so true! Nature does not have paradoxes you say, but we find paradoxes within it, we do not accept the way it isAgain how true, we certainly seem to find many pathways on the road to understanding reality, and it would "seem" that they all end in a paradox? Why then do we find all these paradoxes? One answer would be I feel that we are attempting to solve an absolute reality, with a relative understanding? And thereby bring about this, "it is", and "it is not"situation! Were we able to see the whole scene,from the eternal aspect, as you so rightly said Mohan,there would be absolutely no evidence of any paradoxes anywhere? However mean while back at the ranch,there are ideas afoot to solve this sucker,I can feel a solution already to begin its materialization upon this website, the hour is close at hand, its arrival is neigh!

kind regards michael

[Lloyd Gillespie]

michael,

I also believe we should unite the ideas, but instead of having a mathematical equation as product, it should be a theory of mind. If we want to have a mathematical equation, we must quantitize consciousness, and how could we do this? It would make no sense. So we should develop a theory of mind which unites the philosophy of mind, psicology, anthropology and the TOE.

Ah Guille, the mind already is quantized. We just need to understand it. Mathematics is what needs to be understood, as the scientific community accepts no other proof. I think you will find the mathematics mystery in the space between Lorentz's formulations and Einstein's formulations. Einstein make big assumption here, and jump with big leap of faith, from classical mechanics math to relative mechanics math, without re-figuring transformation extensions and re-directions of mass infinities into zero mass states. Remember, any wave/particle traveling at the speed of light must have zero mass...

And Michael, I do believe the mathematical answer is possible, we just need more seriousness and respect of all members cognitive and scientific ideas and views. I further believe it already exists in the entirety of this site's published writings, as I have read most of them. The answer just needs to be fleshed out and organized mathematically sound, into classical mechanics math. I just think too many members are too far into emoting ideas, instead of logically relaying their true knowledge... A scientific quest should be undertaken by scientific minds, as all other minds emote into imaginal exaggerations...

sorry,
regards

"Light is all. All is light. Light has no paradoxes." me

[Guille]

Mohan,

I don't care about scientists, if they say they don't believe my theories, I simply won't care. Science is not the maximum achievement by humans, we can achieve more. And if we can't, there is no sense in me being in this forum, for my only reason to believe in the TOE is a futuristic form of Natural Philosophy.

Lloyd,

There are lots of things in science which have not been proved with mathematics and yet which are believed as true. Science cannot find truth, it can only find the adecuate propositions according to the space-time point it's in.
You say: "Light is all. All is light. Light has no paradoxes." Then Hitler is light, thus we are all nazis, and Nazism has no paradoxes (so it's true). If you believe in your statement you must believe in my example...

[Mohan.C]

Mohan,

I don't care about scientists, if they say they don't believe my theories, I simply won't care. Science is not the maximum achievement by humans, we can achieve more. And if we can't, there is no sense in me being in this forum, for my only reason to believe in the TOE is a futuristic form of Natural Philosophy

Thanks GUILLE you are right and I am wrong I accept it. Now why wait Michael much longer let us all put our thinking caps on.