Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E.

[Aiya-Oba]

Metaphysics is immaterial physics.Physics is unknowable without metaphysics,because knowledge is impossible without Principle (information): the immaterial Equator of matter and energy.Physics and Metaphysics are equal, but inverse nature of the same reality of Spacetime.
-Aiya-Oba.

[mkirkpatrick]

Metaphysics is immaterial physics.Physics is unknowable without metaphysics,because knowledge is impossible without Principle (information): the immaterial Equator of matter and energy.Physics and Metaphysics are equal, but inverse nature of the same reality of Spacetime.
-Aiya-Oba.

That is absolutely right my brother,well said indeed!


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Metaphysics is immaterial physics.Physics is unknowable without metaphysics,because knowledge is impossible without Principle (information): the immaterial Equator of matter and energy.Physics and Metaphysics are equal, but inverse nature of the same reality of Spacetime.
-Aiya-Oba.

Hi Aiya-Oba, can you absolutely and truthfully know whether metaphysics is immaterial or physical? Here is where spiritual and scientific differences of interpretations begins. Even back to the Upanashads' theory of the initial atom, some believed and insisted it was athereal, while others thought and insisted it was physical... I would have to disagree with you, as have many throughout history, as I see information as material substance, at its finest and thinnest existance, otherwise one is forced to the position of the ethereal state of the known impossible nothing. Most of both sides agree the existence of nothing is impossible, so that only leaves spirit as something of substance. Call it a very mysterious substance, if you will, it still is required to be substance, if it exists___real physical substance. It may seem strange to your interpretations, but the only alternative left, is something from nothing. I don't think anyone sane believes that. Just as the ancients stated, "Nothing can be created from, or by, nothing." So, divide the substance of the physical mind to infinity, if you will, and it's still a part of the initial physical spirit substance___now ain't it?

I think it's all a matter of perspective of deffinitions, and the possibilities of the realities of these semantical deffinitions, perspective, ideas. I think we're all arguing over nothing but semantics of deffinitions, which the ancients also covered___but few listened. It's also been covered hundreds of times and eras since___and still, few listen. And yet, when society tries to set semantical rules, they produce more paradoxes, than the problems they set out to solve. So it seems, we are all sent to the paths of evolving truths, in open forums, and we'll all see what falls out...

I think if we put your law of truth discovery, Truth is the equator of self-contradictions, with my law of absolute logic, The highest probability of the highest possibility, is the only possibility; We may be able to answer all questions put to the combination of these two laws. Until then, we'll all just continue butting heads...

"The instant one steps beyond physical description, one is talking about the impossible nothing" me

"When one stops doing metamathematics on real physical substance, one discovers the truth" me

"Our agruments are between the spectral and empirical evidences. There's a physical boundary line between spectral and empirical evidences." me

"When reality leaves the realm of physical possibilities, it enters the realm of meta-impossibilities." me

"Knowledge/wisdom, to me, is a physical attribute of the mind's brain state, of purely physical essence." me

I'm sorry, but I believe the only way to understand and unite the two major sides of reality, are through the physical evidence, and the spectral evidence spirit, realized as the truly thinned density spirit, of the true fundamental physical substance...

I think we all have much work to do, at the true sub-quantum level, to have our differences meet...

Respectful regards,
Lloyd

[mkirkpatrick]

There is an ancient esoteric truism that remains accurate;"Consciousness is dependent
upon its vehicle for expression" this is an immutable law,we are conscious in our vehicles
and our expression is gaining momentum and gathering speed.

Soon it will be "unthinkable" to imagine a universe without the total inclusion of consciousness as being the very embodiment of expression,so much so,that within
ten years the suggestion of "otherwise" will be looked on as a absurdity.

You only have to look around,and open your eyes to see this,just tap into a search engine
and see how many scientists and physisists are talking about consciousness and universal expression.



regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

"If we knew what it was we were doing,it would not be called research,would it"?Quote from Albert Einstein.We are gradually getting to know what we are doing,and there is a
growing realization that consciousness is back of all universal manifestations.



regards michael.

[Aiya-Oba]

Hi Gillespie, nice to read your post.
Equator of Self-contradiction is the Absolute logic. It is the Nuclear Logic Cross of cosmic unity and Self-creator of All in all.
There is nothing that is not an aspect of the All in all - Spacetime. This fact is the most elusive truth about the geometry of Cosmos.It is the Singularity, the Equator and common String of All in all. Hold on to it, for its the future not the past. - Aiya-Oba.

[mkirkpatrick]

Aiya-Oba,just like to say thanks for your last post,you make reference to all in all,that is so true,we are all in all,and our consciously aware of our small portion within the totality
of the ALL!

Sing that song brother!


regards michael.

[Aiya-Oba]

Michael, I am very content, that you recongnized the power and compass of "All in all."
Equator means All in all.The logic of All in all is the Absolute logic:Equator of Self-contradiction. Thanks - Aiya-Oba

[mkirkpatrick]

[quote=Aiya-Oba;26049]Michael, I am very content, that you recongnized the power and compass of "All in all."
Equator means All in all.The logic of All in all is the Absolute logic:Equator of Self-contradiction. Thanks - Aiya-Oba[/quote


I recognised that "fact" many years ago brother,through personal experience,we live
and move and have our being within the All.


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Gillespie, nice to read your post.
Equator of Self-contradiction is the Absolute logic. It is the Nuclear Logic Cross of cosmic unity and Self-creator of All in all.
There is nothing that is not an aspect of the All in all - Spacetime. This fact is the most elusive truth about the geometry of Cosmos.It is the Singularity, the Equator and common String of All in all. Hold on to it, for its the future not the past. - Aiya-Oba.

Hi Aiya-Oba, yes this is true, but I am afraid to mention, most incomplete. This is the ground base of which science starts from, and chooses to go to the deeper levels of perspectival perceptions of the all in all. Since the beginning of organized thought, there have been three major schools of thought, which can be expressed by these three axioms;

1.The theoretical ergodic axiom of The West is absolute creator...
2.The theoretical ergodic axiom of The East is absolute mind...
3.The theoretical ergodic axiom of Science is absolute substance...

Which of the three axioms is the absolute correct truth...?
Which of the three axioms can be proved...?

The evidentiary logical/physical evidence is only possible for axiom #3.

Aiya-Oba, as I'm sure you know, the goals of axiom #3 science are almost opposite of axioms 1. and 2. I am well aware of 1 and 2's goals of installing all in all, and extracting all parts from the all. This is the age old thesis of the "The One and The Many, or The Many of The One" debate. Since science already knows this thesis true, it uses it as its foundation to understand the deeper perceptions of reality, by separating the all in all into the interconnected parts, to see how the all in the all mechanically functions. The way I see the problem between East and West ideas is the East chooses a sub-quantum entanglement of ideas, to achieve a higher emotional deffinition, and the West's science chooses a sub-quantum dis-entanglement of ideas, to achieve a higher mechanical deffinition.

After looking at the history of ideas evolutions for over sixty years, I must say it moves at a rather slow pace of discovery, and I would have to say, due to the entanglement/dis-entanglement process of the overall evolution. And, after realizing this, I made a choice to understand which axiom would achieve the fastest evolutional advancement of species. After thorough comtemplation of all psychological assessments, I fully realized axioms 1 and 2 had to be converted to 3, to achieve real physical improvement of species conditions. The psychological is useless, until put into physiological action, to improve the human condition. And this is not from light contemplation, I draw my conclusions. It is from deep study with a Buddhist friend of mine, in Maine, for over three years. My wife and her sister were also deeply involved. My wife is of the Buddhist nature, and her sister is of the western nature, due most likely to the years of their graduations from high school___wife `68___sister `66. In America, this seems to be the era of the splitting of our nations thought from western ideas toward eastern thought, yet this is still only a small minority of thinkers. And when we view the East's true views of its own processes of enlightenment, and ask the question, "How many are truly enlightened, worldwide?", the most knowledgeable eastern gurus admit to only 1% to 3%, so I ask, what good can such a small number do to stop the world's economic march toward the relinquishment of more freedoms, and closer to nuclear annialation, I get few to no answers. So, I choose the physiological side of the equation, to solve earth's dilemma, through the systems improvement of culture by the possible redemptive truthful expansions of better organizations of liberty, toward an omega point enlightenment, of total systems improvements, through systemological, universological studies___the real physiological improvements of the human condition.

Just let me give you a few metaphoric visions that have come out of my quest to understand both mental and physical nature a bit deeper... During the three years of study and debate with my Buddhist friend, my wife and her sister came up with the best mataphors, as we were all trying to devolop a new language to describe wisdom logic and or vision logic. My wife was asked, one night, to explain how she saw our ideas progressing through her personal view of it all, and she stated it in metaphor, as that's how her mind works. She said, "I see the entire evolution as a web, like a spider web, interlinked all over the globe. In the center of this web is a heart. The heart is bleeding, to all extremities of its web. It is gushing with greed and corruption. Yet, at the same time, the whole is marching to its necessary destination." Now, all three of us thought about it and started discussing what the metaphor meant. Finally my wife said, "It's just a metaphor for the heart mind, the way my heart sees the true world of political greed and corruption, although I know it has a purpose." We accepted that, this particular night, and parted company.

The very next morning, as her timing is usually un-impeachable, my wife's sister showed at our house, and I asked her to interpret her sister's vision. She said, "I see the same vision as the tree of liberty. I see its roots connecting up to the web of the bleeding heart, and growing into a giant beautiful tree of liberty." No more needed be said, as I could easily see the earth's entire evolution in two distinct metaphors. Now, as I mentioned earlier, my wife sees the world with the heart mind eyes of the East, and her sister sees the world with the logic mind of the West, as do I, but I thoroughly understand my wife's metaphor, and the realities of Eastern beliefs. At the same time, I see the entire visionary metaphors as a true evolutionary history of earth's past, and her full redemptive potential future, through the sound intellectual and real physical advancement of better forms of liberty, for all to enjoy. This will take massive integrations of all the inter-disciplinary studies and the sciences of___the sciences of.

I am sorry we may think different, but I see improvement, only possible, through the above conditions.

Respectful regards,
Lloyd

p.s.
I think a new sub-quantum metaphysics logic language can be developed to unite spirit and science___It only takes the will...