Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E.

[Dr. Waldrope]

This premise comes from Hermetic philosophy...that All is all that there is. There can be nothing outside of all that is...hence, mind is part of all that is.The real question here is what mind are we talking about? There is a hermetic axiom that states, "As above...so below" This is, I think, relative to the concepts of super-symmetry or fractal geometry... that is self similarity; a crude analogy is the dollop of cream in a cup tea. Brownian motion creates a swirl of the cream within the tea matrix. This results in a "system that resembles a spiral galaxy..."as above, so below". Crude as I said. At any rate, the mind of (wo)man is to the universal or collective or God mind as the tea and cream is to the galaxy.
To make the point that All (all that is or all of creation) is mind, I submit that the first step in creating something (whether that something is a house or a relationship or TOE) is to think. This is, I believe, a process of the mind(perhaps not neccessarily the brain). Therefore, before any creation, there must be a thought.
So, one might say that All or all creation is from the mind of All.
I hope this bit of illumination makes clear the idea that All is Mind.
dr.w

[mkirkpatrick]

If you be talking about the non-dual state, you must realize, the non-dual is absolute mythology. Absolute truth is much, much deeper than the non-dual...

I think that you are incorrect there,the non-dual state is in fact Absolute reality,and Not
as you mistakenly call it mythology.

Absolute truth is much deeper,yes,there you are correct,Absolute truth is that there is but
ONe,and that One is the Very Life of All Life,and is completely unknowable,which is why
the ancient wisdom refer to this Majectic Life Force as A Darkened Flame that is cold to the Touch?

Duality exist within the relative universe ONLY,there is no such thing as Dualty in absolute
reality-Period!

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I think that you are incorrect there,the non-dual state is in fact Absolute reality,and Not
as you mistakenly call it mythology.

Absolute truth is much deeper,yes,there you are correct,Absolute truth is that there is but
ONe,and that One is the Very Life of All Life,and is completely unknowable,which is why
the ancient wisdom refer to this Majectic Life Force as A Darkened Flame that is cold to the Touch?

Duality exist within the relative universe ONLY,there is no such thing as Dualty in absolute
reality-Period!

regards michael.

Then exactly, technically, and scientifically explain how the impossible non-dual mind of mythology, speck by speck, motion by motion, quantum by quantum creates the fundamental substance and energy of reality. This is the challenge to all who think mind can produce real substance and energy, from the non-dual state of unprovable mythology. This entire thread no-where accomplishes that. Neither does David's Wingit model have any explanation of the prime mover, for his absolute motion model. I am not argueing, I seek the fundamental truths of science and spirit___the empirically provable truths, not the unprovable mythologies of antiquity, or the incomplete quantum mechanics of this forum's pages. So far, both of these main ideas on this board, can only be classed as new slants on old religions. I want the facts___not any of the religious illusions...

regards,

p.s.
Duality must exist, or no reality can exist. The ying and yang of the I Ching, even require this. Any further back than the universe's I Ching two forces, forces one into pure and usless, endless paradoxes, and paradoxes do not exist, except in the minds of the fools stating them...

[mkirkpatrick]

Then exactly, technically, and scientifically explain how the impossible non-dual mind of mythology, speck by speck, motion by motion, quantum by quantum creates the fundamental substance and energy of reality. This is the challenge to all who think mind can produce real substance and energy, from the non-dual state of unprovable mythology. This entire thread no-where accomplishes that. Neither does David's Wingit model have any explanation of the prime mover, for his absolute motion model. I am not argueing, I seek the fundamental truths of science and spirit___the empirically provable truths, not the unprovable mythologies of antiquity, or the incomplete quantum mechanics of this forum's pages. So far, both of these main ideas on this board, can only be classed as new slants on old religions. I want the facts___not any of the religious illusions...

regards,

p.s.
Duality must exist, or no reality can exist. The ying and yang of the I Ching, even require this. Any further back than the universe's I Ching two forces, forces one into pure and usless, endless paradoxes, and paradoxes do not exist, except in the minds of the fools stating them...

YES they do indeed exist Lloyd,you are not reading what I am saying,they exist in the
RELative universe ONLY-they do NOT exist in the Absolute universe.

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

YES they do indeed exist Lloyd,you are not reading what I am saying,they exist in the
RELative universe ONLY-they do NOT exist in the Absolute universe.

regards michael.

Michael, I asked for the facts of scientific explanation. Where is it...?

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

Michael, I asked for the facts of scientific explanation. Where is it...?

regards,

Lloyd try looking under your mattress,I tucked in in there earlier this evening!


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Lloyd try looking under your mattress,I tucked in in there earlier this evening!
regards michael.

Well, I see you're still too insane, to talk maturely... Too bad...

[mkirkpatrick]

Well, I see you're still too insane, to talk maturely... Too bad...

I was interjecting some British humour to try and level out your pomposity,but it
seems to have gone over your head,not to worry though aye!




regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I was interjecting some British humour to try and level out your pomposity,but it
seems to have gone over your head,not to worry though aye!
regards michael.

The guy that has 3750 posts about himself, talks about pomposity___now that's true Brit humor...

[mkirkpatrick]

The guy that has 3750 posts about himself, talks about pomposity___now that's true Brit humor...

Well thats right Lloyd,a nods as good as a wink to a blind man,Monty pythons flying circus
circa 1976,and when she saw the size of his meat pies,she could not believe her eyes,benny hill,circa 1978.From Ernie the milkman,the fastest milkman in the west!


It the way I tell um! me circa 2007,about now,actually.



regards michael.