Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E.

[Unreal Zelta]

I think Zeroca is right, the pathway to the truth is narrow and rocky, but we don't have to walk alone. But a pointer on your last sentence {let's follow the river in order to get ot the sea}, it's true, but we must realise that we are going the right way (It either leads to the truth, or where we had begun)

Best regards

Zelta

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you Zeroca,for your offer of help on this quest,and for your wise and thoughtful ideas.You said,Mankind buys what he wants!So true,you also said that,Two main states of space-expansion-rarefaction,I think that this theory you have,could well fit into this one here that is being proposed. You went on to say that,My approach is too simple,maybe wrong!Well maybe it is!But also maybe this one will of mind in all and all in mind,will be found wanting,and be proved wrong!I hope not,but it could so be. The last thing you mentioned,about all leading to the sea,is a great analogy. I like the one of the path up the mountain is varied,but the view from the top is the same. I am truly impressed Zeroca,with the response to this quest,folks from all over this planet,helping to hopefully find an acceptable solution to the toe. I feel that this is truly like the idea of a global village.And I am grateful to be a part of it.

I think Zeroca is right, the pathway to the truth is narrow and rocky, but we don't have to walk alone. But a pointer on your last sentence {let's follow the river in order to get ot the sea}, it's true, but we must realise that we are going the right way (It either leads to the truth, or where we had begun)

Maybe they are the same?Who knows?
regards michael.

Antonio.You said that,quantifying the mind,needs a quantum theory of thought,most likely that is the case,what would you suggest would be a way forward in this?
If we assume,which we are doing in this theory,that all is mind,and that mind is all,could not this be squared?Could not the "idea" of consciousness, mind be quantified?And thereby provide a basis to extend from! Would be grateful for input. Can we all put our thinking caps on to try and make this concept into a solid "Idea".
kind regards;
michael.

[AntonioLao]

A quantum theory of thought needs to address the distinctive properties for destructive thoughts and constructive thoughts. That is between good and evil found inside the mind. More to follow...

[mkirkpatrick]

Antonio,you said that,a quantum theory of thought needs to address the
distintive properties of destructive thoughts and constructive thoughts,
between good and evil.I am sure that this could be so,however this seems
to personaliase a universal law,which seems to exhibit purely impersonal
charateristics.The Ying and Yang,are impersonal,positive and negitive,but,
when these "opposing" forces impinge upon human "self will"and become
"I" "AM" conscious,the Ying and Yang,energy,mind,consciousness,it thereby
becomes "personaliased" and is seen as,"good" and "bad",rather than positive
and negitive.We need to somehow quantify this,and balance the "idea".
Grateful for your thoughts on this.

kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

I have a visceral response to quantifying our thoughts as "good" or "bad" as I now believe that these are social constructs and not inherent in nature. I think that there is only play and survival in nature. I appreciate your analysis Antonio, re: thoughts quanta of the mind or space-time quanta of squares of energy. Can you tell me what "pure thoughts" are defined in distinction to?

[Unreal Zelta]

What about a thought that has the property of "creative destruction?"

Best regards

Zelta

[mkirkpatrick]

What about a thought that has the property of "creative destruction?"

Best regards

Zelta

I imagine there are many like that,just look at the ground that
was uprooted to build the Pyramids?


kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Actually UZ, I am not sure what you mean by "creative destruction"...

[AntonioLao]

however this seems to personaliase a universal law,which seems to exhibit purely impersonal charateristics

Quantum reality does not distinguish the observer and the observee hence no distinction between personal and impersonal. Holism strongly implies this and that measurement necessarily disturbed and affect the object being measured. These are summed up in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics. Moreover, quantum nonlocality also suggests that two separate entities are forever connected even though they subsequently were separated by infinite distances.

Can you tell me what "pure thoughts" are defined in distinction to?

Pure thought is equivalent to an absolute state of motionlessness or state of rest. In physics, it implies that the total translational linear momentum is exactly zero. However, the local infinitesimal angular momenta need not necessary be so and in fact these are conserved quantities and could be considered as obeying a principle of directional invariance.

[harmonygirl]

Antonio, I am not sure if an absolute state of motionlessness is possible...what would be an alternative to pure thought (just regular thoughts?)