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Smile Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 03-23-2007, 07:20 PM

This thread has brought many fine minds together,all contributing to form some basis
for a toe to emerge from,for me of course it will arise out of consciousness,and inform
around that central idea,the body and soul of the TOE.!



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Question Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 03-23-2007, 09:26 PM

Well, it’s spring, so let’s get really wild about the ultimate reality. Mkirkpatrick will love this, for it says that the observer creates EVERYTHING.

In the American Scholar article "A New Theory of the Universe", Dr. Robert Lanza tells physicists they've been barking up the wrong tree. Lanza is a leading expert in tissue engineering, cloning and stem cell research. He is not a physicist and so is likely to be ignored by the physics community. Yet, he may be on to something.

"The urgent and primary questions of the universe have been undertaken by those physicists who are trying to explain the origins of everything with grand unified theories. But as exciting and glamorous as these theories are, they are an evasion, if not a reversal, of the central mystery of knowledge: that the laws of the world were somehow created to produce the observer. And more important than this, that the observer in a significant sense creates reality and not the other way around. Recognition of this insight leads to a single theory that unifies our understanding of the world.

...As unimaginable as it may seem to us, the logic of quantum physics is inescapable. Every morning we open our front door to bring in the paper or to go to work. We open the door to rain, snow, or trees swaying in the breeze. We think the world churns along whether we happen to open the door or not. Quantum mechanics tells us it doesn’t.

The trees and snow evaporate when we’re sleeping. The kitchen disappears when we’re in the bathroom. When you turn from one room to the next, when your finite senses no longer perceive or interpret the sounds of the dishwasher, the ticking clock, the smell of a chicken roasting—the kitchen and all its seemingly discrete bits dissolve into nothingness—or into waves of probability. The universe bursts into existence from life, not the other way around as we have been taught. For each life there is a universe, its own universe. We generate spheres of reality, individual bubbles of existence."

The complete article can be found at http://www.theamericanscholar.org/sp...ory-lanza.html


I guess that he says our reality dissolves and reforms in a constant dance that, like moving pictures, cannot be perceived in our mind’s eye.

Lanza’s biological organisms might have to be exempt from going away and not churning when we are not aware or perhaps they stay around by virtue of the organism having consciousness.

If the world rebuilds itself when we look again and appears as if it has proceeded and churned away, as like skipping ahead on a DVD, that’s fine, but I still like to think that interference patterns are out there all along or at least are maintained somehow.

If we can trust our senses, it does seem that subatomic particles pop in and out of our world, because, well, maybe that’s all they can do. Perhaps a moving photon does the same, disappearing and then reappearing a bit further along, but I’m not sure about Lanza yet.

As for movement and growth while we are looking, i suppose it could be like the still frames that make a movie film, but he doesn’t elaborate.

I can think of 3 ways that the brain or consciousness can actually produce “reality”:

1. Night dreams. Unless lucid, we feel that this virtual reality is totally real. While some dreams present a stable reality, many others don’t, with the backgrounds changing and us living in another house and so forth, but what can we expect when the mind is partly asleep and not all there.

2. Schizophrenia. Visions present a virtual reality. I don’t know much about this but I wonder if they bump into furniture and so forth that are in the agreed on reality or if theirs is the only reality to them. My take is that they are dreaming while awake or that their imaginings or subconscious thoughts take on a life of their own.

3. Hallucinations: They can come from drugs and also from who knows where. Normal people have them just before sleep but are aware that they are experiencing an illusion.

As for our agreed on reality, if it’s really generated by the brain and consciousness or both, wouldn’t we all have to be connected somehow as in a group consciousness?

I also like the idea that when we take a snapshot of a photon that it is like a single frame of a movie and so we cannot know its momentum.
  
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Smile 03-24-2007, 02:40 AM

Just as mind and matter are one,two aspects of the one reality,so too,as with any other
aspect of the world,mind and matter can be seperated and fragmented by thought.

The human mind has an infinite capacity for abstraction and reification.To give a name or
circumscibe a category of thought is to bring italive within the mind,to objectify it and make it manifest.

Thought creates the world and then makes it manifest.In this way thought has created these two categories called mind and matter and then proceeded to act upon this distinction.

In the process it has created a fragmented world in which our inner feelings and experiences do indeed seem to be separated from our body,in which individuals are
separated from society and in which society is cut off from nature.

We need somehow to remove this gulf that separates us from each other and the
whole of nature.so that we become whole again,rather than fragmented portions
of the whole.


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Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 03-30-2007, 05:27 AM

Here is the true TOE (no matter what the silly empiricists think):

"ALL IS all that there is. ALL is MIND."

follow this path and all will be made clear.

No math required...just a functioning MIND.

Cheers to all...I mean ALL

dr.w

PS: Michael I truly do think this is it and that no TRUE TOE (one that includes the function of consciousness) will ever be described. The empiricists may come up with some formula that describes "some" of the elements of fundamental reality and, like the Einsteinians, will blunder along for a hundred years or so secure in their smug self-rightiousness that they have "figured it out" and perhaps never realizing that the answer (yes an empirical one) was staring them in the face all along. The seeds are right in front of them. Non-local action (a curiousity they say), Heisenberg (oh come on now. Quantum mech can't really be that weird...we'll figure it out), chaos theory (just a strange quirk of fractal geometry). The clues are right there and they don't realize the TRUE impact of these empirical evidences that everything is connected at a FUNDA"MENTAL"!!!!! level.
I pity them really. Perhaps some day they will "evolve" and see the truth that is in front of them.
  
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Smile Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 03-30-2007, 06:24 AM

Great post DrW,thank you muchly.indeed at the utmost depth,all "things" are connected,
and eminate from the one source.Science will need to fully realize this fundamental reality
before they can fully realize the implications that this dawning will bring.

It will surely come,many in the field already hold that consciousness is fundamental and
primary,the rest will follow soon,as the evidence for this realization stacks up.




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Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 04-01-2007, 12:46 PM

Life without measure is equal, one, or nature's single truth.

If science understood measure has no certainty
If religions removed difference, and practiced one
If Descartes had stopped at "I"
If Einstein had known the truth of "C"
If the Constitution had writen all things instead of "all men are created equal"
If justice were defined as truth rather than "fairness"
If we knew"man is the measure of all things" is the flaw Democritus
If government understood equality is freedom
If we knew inhumanity is inequity
If we practiced humanity or equality
If equality or certainty was taught in school rather than uncertain measure
If astro and macro measure hadn't taken us away from I or truth
If we had looked at the center of every equation, at equal, at =
If we know the truth and taught the truth and live the truth
If that day has finally come

Then all is equal, united, god, just, true, one, i, and all soon will be free!

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Smile Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 04-01-2007, 03:44 PM

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Life without measure is equal, one, or nature's single truth.

If science understood measure has no certainty
If religions removed difference, and practiced one
If Descartes had stopped at "I"
If Einstein had known the truth of "C"
If the Constitution had writen all things instead of "all men are created equal"
If justice were defined as truth rather than "fairness"
If we knew"man is the measure of all things" is the flaw Democritus
If government understood equality is freedom
If we knew inhumanity is inequity
If we practiced humanity or equality
If equality or certainty was taught in school rather than uncertain measure
If astro and macro measure hadn't taken us away from I or truth
If we had looked at the center of every equation, at equal, at =
If we know the truth and taught the truth and live the truth
If that day has finally come

Then all is equal, united, god, just, true, one, i, and all soon will be free!

MJA
Great post MJA,thanks a bunch.

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Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 04-01-2007, 05:44 PM

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Life without measure is equal, one, or nature's single truth.
...snip...Then all is equal, united, god, just, true, one, i, and all soon will be free!

MJA
Great post for a theology forum. I've never seen such a mishmash of pseudo-politics, neo-Newage, and post-hoc-metaphysics crammed into one post before. If I were a moderator here I would move this entire thread over to theology, or to a new forum, perhaps called: Theology of Everything (TOE).

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Great post for a theology forum. I've never seen such a mishmash of pseudo-politics, neo-Newage, and post-hoc-metaphysics crammed into one post before. If I were a moderator here I would move this entire thread over to theolgy, or to a new forum, perhaps called: Theology of Everything (TOE).
Well when you are made a moderator CC you will be able to do just that,however
as of now I wish it to remain here.


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Smile Re: Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E. - 04-01-2007, 07:10 PM

From science we know that the colours we see don't have an objective existence but are
created by the mind as light of different frequencies strikes the eye.The objects around us
that we think of as solid are really mostly empty spacewith a minuscule atom occupying
a comparartively immense area like a speck of dust on a football field.


Our human consciousness is organized in time units of the current day of the week,the
current month,the hour of the day etc.
But in reality there is only the present moment in which we can act and make a difference
Time is like an illusion cast by an undulating universe.The past has no objective existence
except in our human memory,the smooth passage of time is just an illusion,and the future
is merely a figment of our mental anticipation.

The seeming multipicity of the universe itself is merely a maya,an illusion cast by the one
great identtity behind it,the source of all light,life and intelligence,projecting through the
eternal now an array of forms that hypnotically delude us into believing in the utter reality
of things in themselves that we perceive within our human frame of reference.

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