Consciousness holds the key. to the T.O.E.

[Coldcreation]

Late last century, Ilya Prigogine wrote we are at the beginning of a new scientific era, not just limited to simplified situations, but reflective of the complexity, of the real world, “a science that views us and our creativity as part of a fundamental trend present at all levels of nature” (1996 p.7). On page 16 he quotes Roger Penrose, from The Emperor’s New Mind, “It is our present lack of understanding of the fundamental laws of physics that prevents us from coming to grips with the concept of ‘mind’ in physical or logical terms.” Prigogine follows with “We need a new formulation of the fundamental laws of physics.”

I believe that both views are correct.

Many applications should follow from a deeper understanding of our role in nature (and natures role within us). Applications don’t always have to be lucrative, in the financial sense. If one persons life is spared because a parapsychologist somewhere preached physics instead of religion to an unstable individual, and he or she realizes that those killer impulses are natural rather than ordered by a pious prophet, maybe control and restraint will prevail over brutal delusion and passage a l’act.

It is the role of the scientific community (science fora included) to develop an acceptable approach aimed at putting an end to metaphysics of the kind posted in this thread.

Galileo showed that the church was wrong, but Hawking and others have done nothing but add fuel to religious dogma by blurring the distinction between science and creed¾encouraging further elaboration in sensitive areas that border on mysticism.


Frankly, vis avis science and the church, little has changed in 2000 years.


It is time. It is high time.



Coldcreation






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[austintorn@aol.com]

< 1 >
— Referred Touch —

Take a pencil, and feel a texture with it—
You seem to feel it at the pencil’s tip;
Yet, you have no sense organs way out there;
So—the brain fabricates reality!


< 2 >
— Reality is Real-ized —

All we “see” are the insides of our heads,
A model of reality. No, you say—
Well, it’s the same model “seen” in our dreams,
With our eyes closed and us in darkness, too!


< 3 >
— A Useful Illusion —

Not only is “seeing” inside our heads,
But also the hard-soft-texture of touch,
The scents of molecule shapes, and the sounds
Of air waves, again, as in a night dream.


< 4 >
— Tuning In —

Reality plays within our theater,
A wide-awake dream. What’s really out there,
I suppose, are waves and fields, which our minds
Sense in representative ways, like “red”.


< 5 >
— A Receiver —

The brain is like a TV tuner, reading waves
That originate somewhere else entirely;
Hard reality is totally fabricated,
Just as in our dreams that seem so real.

< 6 >
— Making Sense —

Absolute Reality is scentless,
Colorless, and quite soundless; however,
Sense organs detect waves and vibrations—
So—all reality’s fabricated.


< 7 >
— 3D Glasses —

Hard reality is constructed by our brains,
From some kind of frequency domain,
As when sound waves turn into sound, so, the
Apparent physical world is an illusion.


< 8 >
— Movie Starring —

A virtual reality can be
Enjoyed and directed in lucid dreams,
Where one can do anything at all, without
Injury or penalty, with real feel!

[mkirkpatrick]

Consciousness,realizing the infinite potential that lies within us,when we can do that,then
the key itself materializes before our very eyes!It has always been there,but we could not
see it.

The TOE is about who and what we are?Know that fully,comprehend that fully,then any
doubts about consciousness underlying all manifested reality will vanish in a flash.




regards michael.

[MJA]

The question is: what is consciousness and how does it manifest itself in a universe governed by a specific set of natural laws?

The answer to that question will be found in an ultimate theory, or it will not be a T.O.E.


Coldcreation

[/quote]

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Consciousness is all the complex processes of the mind. Thoughts, imaginations, ideas, emotions, judgments, dreams, senses, memories, are to only name a few. Measure is another tool of the mind that helps us find the certainty of our thoughts and at the same time measures the certainty of natural laws. To unite thought with nature and find truth, one need only understand the limitations of measure, the limitations of natural thought, write the equation, then reduce that equation to it's simplest form. Ready?

ONE!

THE SCIENCE OF PHYSICS = THE SCIENCE OF PHILOSOPHY

OR

THE MEASURE OF NATURE = THE MEASURE OF TRUTH

OR

MEASURE OF NATURE = MEASURE OF TRUTH

OR

OF NATURE = OF TRUTH

OR

NATURE = TRUTH

OR

=

ONE!

MJA

[mkirkpatrick]

The question is: what is consciousness and how does it manifest itself in a universe governed by a specific set of natural laws?

The answer to that question will be found in an ultimate theory, or it will not be a T.O.E.


Coldcreation

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Consciousness is all the complex processes of the mind. Thoughts, imaginations, ideas, emotions, judgments, dreams, senses, memories, are to only name a few. Measure is another tool of the mind that helps us find the certainty of our thoughts and at the same time measures the certainty of natural laws. To unite thought with nature and find truth, one need only understand the limitations of measure, the limitations of natural thought, write the equation, then reduce that equation to it's simplest form. Ready?

ONE!

THE SCIENCE OF PHYSICS = THE SCIENCE OF PHILOSOPHY

OR

THE MEASURE OF NATURE = THE MEASURE OF TRUTH

OR

MEASURE OF NATURE = MEASURE OF TRUTH

OR

OF NATURE = OF TRUTH

OR

NATURE = TRUTH

OR

=

ONE!

MJA

[/quote]

MJA Just to sat,I really enjoyed your post,simple and direct,wonderful.

regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Unless the brain is not real, it seems that the brain does the analysis leading to thoughts and ideas and so forth through our memories, associations, senses, and learning that the brain contains and maintains. The brain is also known as the mind or the will. It may be complex or it may be many simpletons competing for attention.

Whatever result surfaces is observed by consciousness. Consciousness may be fundamental if it’s a ground-only against which experiences happen (as object observed by a subject); however, consciousness may just be a special part of the brain which percieves the rest of the brain—another sense—and so may not be fundamental after all.

Brain results are either accepted or are fed back for further analysis: “OK, I’ll do it.” or “Let’s find a better furniture arrangement than this.” or “What will I do today?” Sooner or later the brain gets back to us on what to do if we ask it to plan something, although when I asked my brain to ponder and solve the Theory of Everything and get back to me, it never did.

[mkirkpatrick]

We know that we know,we are acutely aware of being,we are self-aware,we can do what
few if any can do within this solar system,and that is being self-conscious,and have the ability to say "I"am that "I" am,within this level of consciousness,there will arise the overall sense of affinity and union with all apparent differences,the reason being,that this
awakened consciousness will speak with authority about how these "apparent" differences
are all illusary,and that in reality,all is indeed One.


When this realisation locks firmily into place,then we will see clearly how consciousness
does indeed hold the key to the theory of everything.




regards michael.

[chazzysaw]

[quote=mkirkpatrick;29344]We know that we know,we are acutely aware of being,we are self-aware,we can do what
few if any can do within this solar system,and that is being self-conscious,and have the ability to say "I"am that "I" am,within this level of consciousness,there will arise the overall sense of affinity and union with all apparent differences,the reason being,that this
awakened consciousness will speak with authority about how these "apparent" differences
are all illusary,and that in reality,all is indeed One.


When this realisation locks firmily into place,then we will see clearly how consciousness
does indeed hold the key to the theory of everything.
The fact that "I know, that I know, that I know" and "I am that I am" reveals to me the domain of God. That alone fills the void that most atheist feel exist, that life is an empty shell created by an accident. I believe there is much more to existence than an accidental beginning. We are not the only creatures aware of our surroundings on this planet. There is something within everything and everybody and this thing, we barely understand, creates a oneness among us. We are many small important parts to a greater whole and that whole is the T.O.E.

[mkirkpatrick]

[quote=chazzysaw;29567]

We know that we know,we are acutely aware of being,we are self-aware,we can do what
few if any can do within this solar system,and that is being self-conscious,and have the ability to say "I"am that "I" am,within this level of consciousness,there will arise the overall sense of affinity and union with all apparent differences,the reason being,that this
awakened consciousness will speak with authority about how these "apparent" differences
are all illusary,and that in reality,all is indeed One.


When this realisation locks firmily into place,then we will see clearly how consciousness
does indeed hold the key to the theory of everything.
The fact that "I know, that I know, that I know" and "I am that I am" reveals to me the domain of God. That alone fills the void that most atheist feel exist, that life is an empty shell created by an accident. I believe there is much more to existence than an accidental beginning. We are not the only creatures aware of our surroundings on this planet. There is something within everything and everybody and this thing, we barely understand, creates a oneness among us. We are many small important parts to a greater whole and that whole is the T.O.E.

Absolutely so,Chazzysaw,the void is the space taken up by ignorance,and lack of comprehension as to the unity of the wholly wholeness of all=one.

regards michael.

[N0B0DY]

Is there anything outside of the "One?"