[subversion]

Originally Posted by Omni

I'm satisfied and at peace with my TOE also. For me it covers everything as we know it and I haven't heard/seen/read anything that made me doubt it, but because of the reasons I already mentioned I don't consider it to be proven right or wrong. Sometimes I FEEL it's right. I did when I just discovered it and it still feels good, but logic says it's just a possibility no more.. no less. If you eventually decide to share your TOE I will be an interested reader. If not, I will know you'll have your reasons which are legit to you and that's fine by me. It's your TOE. You decide.

You are a very thoughtful and honest person who I can see has no reservations about the world around him. I congratulate you and wish you luck in all your endeavors. If I choose to share my theory, may you happily take part. I hope that everybody who is not apprehensive may take part in this grand unfolding!

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Omni

I said: "because you'll never be able to observe the whole Everything, because it's infinite.". Let's say I watch the whole now visible Everything then I know it goes on further than that infinite. When I a few years later watch the whole then visible universe I will see a larger part of everything, but also then I would know it goes on further than that infinite etc.. neverending story. Viewing Everything at once isn't possible. Viewing Everything is by definition (Everything is infinite) impossible and therefor also in theory you can never understand Everything. You can take a wild guess, but that's as far as you're gonna get.

Omni, yes it is infinite space, but it is simply finite matter. Our physics and cosmology very clearly and quite accurately knows these numbers...It's quite obvious by just looking up...

regards

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by baudrunner

1. The Universe is determined to be about 13.7 billion years old. Also, the universe is determined to be about 156 billion light years in diameter. If light-speed were an absolute limit then the very largest size that the Universe could be would be twice the radius of 13.7 billion light years, or 27.4 billion light years in diameter. That does not appear to be the case.

Or, perhaps you could begin be explaining the phenomenon of the uniform expansion of the Universe giving rise to actual superluminal velocities.

Baud, I love your math...since when is 13.7 billion years taken seriously by any sane person? Anyone would have to be quite ignorant to accept a 156 billion light year diameter universe as only 13.7 billion years old. Now, either the year number or the light speed number is wrong. Guess what; the light speed numbers are correct, but not in the way you suggest, and the year numbers are absolutely wrong... If you checked actual cosmological physics numbers you would find certain nebula's hundreds of millions of light years across. Our own galaxie is larger than two hundred million light years across. Many cosmologists predict the entire universe to be hundreds of billions of light years across, and others trillions of light years across. Now, who's right? I think we all, most physicists included, better sit down and start doing the real math___pronto!

Sorry Baud, but Sub is closer to reality than you. Get the numbers right, and the super-luminal foolishness goes away... Start with thermodynamics at wikipedia, Josiah Willard Gibbs, Hermann Ludwig Ferdinand von Helmholtz, universe, nebulas, super-novas, stuff like that... You could use a little schooling beyond your sci-fi... Hey Baud, please explain why all instruments register the gamma ray background radiation, no matter where the radio telescopes are pointed, if not a direct observation of luminal light speed for the entire universe, then what is it? If it were beyond light speed, then we wouldn't hear it - Got It Yet? If anything in the universe were beyond light speed, then we couldn't wouldn't see it - Got It Yet?

regards

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by subversion

Are you giving me conflicting signals Guille? All that I have put in this forum has been excrement eh? Yet you go on to say that some of it was interesting and created discussion. So which is it!

Allow me to remind you exactly what I have contributed so far
1.the incompleteness theorem proves not that truth doesn't exist, but that it is consistently inconsistent, and this means that scientists won't figure anything out unless they view things with the greatest of optimism. In other words, we have to realize that the incompleteness theorem is really the completeness theorem.

2.it is theoretical impossible to prove that things are impossible unless you live for an infinitely long amount of time. Therefore valid theoretical laws must only state that which is possible, not that which is impossible. The outcome of this is that everything is possible! So now we can look at laws which state what is impossible and realize that these laws are irrelevant.

3. as such the laws of thermodynamics are all irrelevant, because they attempt to state what is impossible. Let's take a detailed look at all of these laws
1). matter cannot be created or destroyed. This law is proved irrelevant by the existence of the big bang
2). perpetual motion cannot exist. This law is proved irrelevant by the continuous nature of time itself
3). the arrow of time cannot reverse. This law is proved irrelevant by the fact that the universe is expanding faster and faster

4. I have stated that gravity is the universal force of destiny. It has two opposing halves, gravity and dark energy. Gravity is attempting to pull us back into the past and dark energy is the force that carries us into the future. Therefore the arrow of time is directly linked to the universal forces of destiny.

5. In fact, the arrow of time will reverse whenever two points, seperated by less then a planck distance, begin to expand away from eachother at greater than lightspeed, due to the universal force of destiny. This is a real conclusion of the TOE!

6. Evolution is meant to bring about the theory of everything, and as such Humans are progressing along a natural path, because we have a secret duty to perform for the universe. We are evolving from animals to beings to deities.

7. I have theorized that at the most fundamental level, something is nothing more than what it contains, and thus I have replaced Russell's Paradox with a more complete and accurate version that exemplifies both halves of the Paradox. It is stated as follows
We know that everything must contain itself, but we do not know if it contains what it is not. Similarly, we know that nothing must not contain what it is not, but we do not know if it contains itself.

8. I have stated that it is possible to send something faster than TSOL and I have asked for ya'll to brainstorm how it can be done, but nobody has taken me seriously.

9. I have introduced you to the Hutchison effect which demonstrates the Theory of Everything.

So why don't you take a closer look at all these things I've been willing to show you Guille, and consider it's worth a second time. Using everything I've told you above, you should be able to figure out the TOE for yourself. But of course, you have to think about it, and take it seriously.

regards, subv

Sub, although much of this is rhetoric, there are areas worth investigating, so I for one back some of your ideas as having great merit... Some of your strong points outweigh your weaker points___youth has always amazed me with its casual, yet reckless, innocence of exploration...

regards

[dleviwing]

Sorry Lloyd and baud; but the age of the universe has nothing to do with its diameter. In physics it is said that expansion is the only exception to the rule when it comes to the speed of light. The universe expands at a rate superluminal according to QM and the standard model. If you want math, take the expansion rate and calculate the initial wavelength of the background radiation 13.7 billion years ago. This is why I say that "absolute motion" is constant in all systems. I don't believe in exceptions to rules or Laws of physics.

Sub;
You are attempting to avoid the inevitable. If you apply yourself to acquiring a degree in theoretical physics, in four years I will be willing to debate your ideas. As it stands, you do not have the knowledge nor the education to present anything scientific; thus your TOE can only be based on faith. That TOE has already been presented over 2000 years ago. As you can see, those with a true background in science have made the same evaluation of you as I have. (Thanks baud and Lloyd)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by subversion

You pose a very good point Omni, and I commend you on your theory. However, I have to maintain that the theory of everything is about everything, and therefore there is nothing which it does not cover. Nothing which is does not cover... Which is kind of funny, because it brings us to the question, does nothing form a meaningful part of everything? An analogous way to ask the question is, is nothing full of itself, and is everything full without nothing? And that question, is the one question we will never know. However, we know that the answer is unknown. That is the question that Godel predicted. So I guess now that I think of it I have to agree with you, I'm not sure if the theory of everything is complete, and indeed I cannot be sure. But that question I consider to be irrelevant, or at least, I can't tell if it's relevant or not. Cheers

So in other words, the only part (of the TOE) that you can't be sure about, is nothing. Which confirms my theory that any law which says what you can't do must be a law which is referring to nothing. So in other words, it may be true that you can't know everything because you can't know nothing. But if you can know everything besides nothing, than that is all that matters, that is all that we know must be relevant. The theory of Relevancy!

I like this post Sub... My title is my message... I believe it, because I know it to be the absolute truth... Nothing is the search for the holy grail of the TOE... If you can answer the question of how nothing produced everything, you answer how infinite absolute pure no motion space created the big fire-cracker... This is the real TOE quest... I will give you a hint, it was an apple-jack diesel explosion of massive proportions... The entire universe is stars of perpetual diesel propulsion gear driving all space and matter motion... No such first star explosion could have taken place without its thermodynamic opposite and equal reaction to react against... The #1 law of the universe is "The thermodynamic equilibrium of absolute motion is constant and conserved!" The second law of thermodynamics demands that, "The entropy of any totally isolated system not at thermal equilibrium, [i.e., the initial dis-equilibrium zero singularity temp], will tend to increase over time, approaching a mazimum value = 10 to minus infinity!" The initial singularity's cold fusion created the big fire-cracker. Space, itself, was compressed into the elemental particles of first star by thermodynamic temp approaching zero infinity of ten to the minus infinity! Infinite absolute space and infinite absolute thermodynamic temp dieseled into the big fire-cracker.

First star, Mr. Collosus was created by the #1 law of thermodynamics of, "Any and all absolutes are required to equilibriate themselves." Such actions created the self-equilibriating self-circuitry of the initial singularity! The singularity is nothing other than a cold fusion diesel engine, of mammoth beyond mammoth proportions - a natural cold fusion hydrogen bomb! The pressure of infinite pre-star space, created by the hydrodynamic compression by thermodynamic temp approaching negative infinity, squeezed space into first "hydrogen boson plasma", if you will, by pushing space tighter and tighter toward its center, just as apple-jack used to be made by the old farmers in my childhood. Just set the hard sider outside in thirty to forty below zero temp and wait for the alcahol to be collected in the center by hydrodynamics, then drill in and drain off. But, in the case of this first singularity's creation of first matter, she hydrodynamically created the first hydrogen isotopes necessary for first star diesel explosion, and compressed the mix into a heated state from pure thermodynamic temp approaching zero infinity, until the center reversed process and dieseled...

This initial absolute thermodynamic dis-equilibrium created the thermodynamic equilibrium we now live in, but what a roller coaster ride from there to here. The pre to post big singularity fire-cracker difference is almost impossible to wrap your mind around. It's more easily stated by this quote, "There is no god; but what there is in place of it is so massive, I can't tell the difference." The self-perpetual motion circuitry of the initial event horizon's massive expansion...WOW! The first state of thermodynamic chaos was required to condense into equilibrium, but how? The thermodynamics of first star can be described as the boundary thunder line between absolute infinite zero and absolute infinite hot, now, what a circus do you think this event horizon front is going to make? This is like a cold fusion hydrogen/hydrozine bomb of infinite proportion, creating a zero temp diesel universal engine for all future motion and laws. The universe is just one giant diesel engine with many, many combustion chambers creating many, many star systems, but how did she proceed?

Creation, the first thermodynamic puzzle was built by pressure alone through the initial gasses at the universal center, to the tune of the analogy of the apple-jack diesel engine, but how did this event horizon proceed? One statement before explaining; absolute zero temp thermodynamically and hydrodynamically requires the universe to have a center... You must first realize we are dealing with special case laws of the singularity, i.e., they are being formed as the expansion proceeds. The initial expanding thunder front, event horizon, would have created the galaxies spiral dynamics, black holes, star systems of all proportions, over and over and over, and true space motion as we now know it. Can you just imagine what infinite hot is like hitting infinite cold? I don't think you can. The violence of this period is almost beyond belief, galaxie formations breaking out ahead and behind the front, waves being formed, particles being spewed out by the trillions of trillions of powers, black holes being created and thrown around like b-balls, a confrontation of energies and masses so powerful we don't have computers large enough to model it properly___just plain massive to infinity... How cold was the initial black hole all of this is expanding into -300k, -9000k, -9mil/k, -9bil/k? We have no idea but it had to be cold to create such a massive explosion, and its continuing galaxie explosions and swirlings of initial wave field mechanics, once equilibrium finally set in millions of years later... All from the entropy of absolute zero being chaos combustion... You must realize this is a velocity of light diesel engine were talking about... More later, I'm tired...

Sub, what can you do to improve this? Write it up best you see fit, if you choose, or do me one better...

regards

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Sorry Lloyd and baud; but the age of the universe has nothing to do with its diameter. In physics it is said that expansion is the only exception to the rule when it comes to the speed of light. The universe expands at a rate superluminal according to QM and the standard model. If you want math, take the expansion rate and calculate the initial wavelength of the background radiation 13.7 billion years ago. This is why I say that "absolute motion" is constant in all systems. I don't believe in exceptions to rules or Laws of physics.)

David, yes I respect this opinion but I have a different interpretation of the wording. Your wording is correct, but expansion only appears to exceed the super-luminal. In the beginning of the expansion light was traveling maybe ten to one hundred times faster than light is today, this is true, but it is not super-luminal___it is simply a different light speed at a different time, and pretty good reason for it, yet it is still luminal light speed, even though faster then than now. It took billions of years for the equilibrium laws of motion to set in, to the original violent explosion, and equalize all motions to reasonable mathematical sensibilities, but today there is no super-luminal anywhere... Do you agree this is a correct view of it?

regards

[Omni]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Omni, yes it is infinite space, but it is simply finite matter. Our physics and cosmology very clearly and quite accurately knows these numbers...It's quite obvious by just looking up...

Yes and how does this contradict with what i'm saying or isn't that the point you're trying to make?

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

If you can answer the question of how nothing produced everything, you answer how infinite absolute pure no motion space created the big fire-cracker... This is the real TOE quest...

Unless there's an error in the question of course.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Do you agree this is a correct view of it?

Hi Lloyd;
We seem to have read the same books and passages, but have developed different understanding and views of them.
You view the BB as an explosion; I see it as an expansion.
You believe motion of matter can be lost; I see it as a constant and it is still part of all matter today. The expansion may be slower now than at the instant of the event, but the quantity of motion is still the same.
You seem to feel that something can come from nothing. I do not. The physical something existed before the BB event and it existed in a place or void.
You view a wave as having been faster at the beginning; I view a wave as propagating through the same quantity of matter for a given increment of time. In your terms, light was slower then and expansion faster – much faster. The speed of light is dependent on distance, the movement through matter is dependent on density and thus its speed is dependent on density also.

You seem to be satisfied with the vision you have; When I had that view, I was not satisfied with it. Lloyd; we are taking the same journey and are on the same path; Would you like me to wait for you at the end? I don't want you to stop where you are; There is much more for you to see.

[HappytheStripper]

I'm amazed!!! Stunned to say the least!!!

This thread was placholder for subversions toe right??? I see it may have become a match of wits at its best and kind reminds me of "boys" in the playground or so to speak!

Harmonygirl theorised Toe Quest members were beyond playground antics...
however after reading these posts I see this thread may have become more a struggle for power and control between its members... without realising we are all One and subsequently on the same journey???

I realise healthy debate is necessary for the solution of what One may define as TOE... however... are these arguments healthy??? One must ask oneself!

Regards

Ashley

PS Subversion I want to know will you be sharing you TOE ... I want to able to read your theory in one whole piece as oppsed to several articles - please!