[harmonygirl]

...or perhaps the key is realizing that equations ('equality') doesn't realistically exist in nature. Everything is unique and that's why I think there is beauty in 1/0.

[mkirkpatrick]

Archetype,Lee,you asked in what sense am I saying that zero and ten are the same?Well in the sense that a circle,sphere,orb,zero,with the number one,1,within it,expresses the idea that there is but one,and that one is complete and entire within its infinite abode of absolute Beingness!This is at times also expressed as the number ten,the perfect number,(when understood in this context)you could also express itas you have as 1/0 as
far as I can see,they are interchangable and could easily meld together.Hope
this answers your question Lee.


kind regards michael.

[humanbydefault]

I have reached a different conclusion with respect to the mathematical paradigm of 1/0 and its "infinite" or "undefined" nature too.
I while ago I attempted to express a logic behind the use of "zero" in the REAL WORLD. Probably some of you remember what I wrote back then but for those who are new in this forum it won't hurt to take a brief look at my notes. Go to:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/genera...uatum-era.html

Before the quantum era we used to apply a bunch of classical mathematics to a world [universe] we believed worked under the rules of an equally classical fashion...but things changed in 1900... For good!
To give you an example of what I'm saying here simply draw symmetrical radius to equal numbers in both sides of the circle. If you connect the number 4 with -4 from the other side you'll have a NET solution, mathematically speaking, equal to "zero." The key to understand that particular "zero result" can't be achieved without the "physical understanding" of the existence of two equal magnitudes with opposite spins or rotational directionalities (!)
So I'd say that 1 divided by -4 plus 1 divided by 4 will add "zero." If on top of that I decided to divide 1 by the mathematical solution that equal zero [above] I may find myself in troubble once again...
Our math is whether you like it or not created to deal with a classical world of objects and particles. Countable "things" that are not allowed to "disappear" temporarily as an ENERGY WAVE does when encounterring another with an opposite phase (1)
When I discussed the way I saw the atomic structure of matter [the atom] I spoke about the vibrational nature of BONDS and that is a perfect example of how a NET neutrality assumed to exist in every level of the atomic structure is nothing more than the average of each couppling. Without that vibration water couldn't be disassociated in its components [oxigen and hydrogen] Chemistry would be entirely different that it is now and we wouldn't even exist to talk about it. I believe with all my soul that "zero" is only REAL when we speak about a given TIME and a given CONDITION but not as a permanent state of matter. Even an atom of uranium after decay changes its atomic number and we find difficulties trying to justify such behavior.
1/0 may have no difined meannings in the classical sense withing a classical physics but it does acquire a meaningful sense in a universe ruled by the quantum.

Thanks for the tread.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[pagan3142]

Originally Posted by archetype

What I have realized is that 1/0, the heretic of mathematics, is
improperly defined and this improper definition is what is preventing us
from seeing the amazing truth about everything. Depending upon whether you approach zero from the negative
or positive side, you can show that 1/0 is equal to either positive or
negative infinity.

OK I agree Now if you rotate this 2 Dimentional drawing 90' towards you, you will get a straight line. Draw an imaginary line horizontally through the middle. Now if you follow this model you would get a sine wave forwards and backwards (in Time).
To me this is a brilliant idea and explains a lot. Could this explain the Big Bang ? you see you not only get the 4th Dimension (time). It also could explain matter and anti matter. And a load of other twin variables. I leave the rest up to you to make what you will of my reasoning. But I think you are onto something here.
Thanx.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao

You indeed have eternity in the palm of your hand. Just be careful not to drop it.

That sounds like wise council Antonio,we need all bevery careful.lest we drop a clanger?

kind regards michael.

[archetype]

Originally Posted by pagan3142

OK I agree Now if you rotate this 2 Dimentional drawing 90' towards you, you will get a straight line. Draw an imaginary line horizontally through the middle. Now if you follow this model you would get a sine wave forwards and backwards (in Time).
To me this is a brilliant idea and explains a lot. Could this explain the Big Bang ? you see you not only get the 4th Dimension (time). It also could explain matter and anti matter. And a load of other twin variables. I leave the rest up to you to make what you will of my reasoning. But I think you are onto something here.
Thanx.

An interesting intuition Mr. Pagan. I must have time to ruminate on this some more. Keep up the good thoughts.

[Nobody]

I think there is a little problem with the equation:

If you are claiming that everything is equal to one divided by zero, then one would have to equal everything multiplied by zero, but we know that anything multiplied by zero is zero.

Alternatively, if we consider everything to equal zero divided by zero, then the equation works because zero is equal to everything multiplied by zero.

[harmonygirl]

Nobody, I agree with your math, but I have always wondered about the philosophical ramifications of multiplication by zero. Is it even possible?

[indium]

Originally Posted by Nobody

I think there is a little problem with the equation:

If you are claiming that everything is equal to one divided by zero, then one would have to equal everything multiplied by zero, but we know that anything multiplied by zero is zero.

Alternatively, if we consider everything to equal zero divided by zero, then the equation works because zero is equal to everything multiplied by zero.

Thankx, you bring up a good point that I want to illustrate. You are right, anything multiplied by zero is usually zero. But when everything is multiplied by zero it is not necessarely zero, it could be anything. It just depends on what you divide by zero to start with. In other words, three divided by zero multiplied by zero is three, and one divided by zero multiplied by zero is indeed one. So in general we say that everything multiplied by nothing is anything, and not just zero. So one divided by zero is still everything. But you are right, 0/0 can also be everything, just not necessarily, since it is actually anything.

So if I'm not mistaken, my theory is correct. Or should I say, the theory of everything? I am going to post on your theory of nothing which I think is brilliant, but I think when you say that nothing is the only absolute state of existence you're forgetting the other absolute state, everything, and the multiplication of nothing and everything, anything. These numbers are 0, 1/0, and 0/0 respectively, the three pillars of mathematics as I have realized. Good luck

[Nobody]

Thanks to you both.

I think multiplication by zero can be thought of as something zero times. Like one times one equals one time, one times zero equals no times so it's zero.

I'd like to see how you get three when dividing 3 by zero times zero. I don't follow what you mean there.

And the problem I see with including everything as another absolute state is that by its very existence it forms a dichotomy of everything and nothing - there is everything which would be contained by nothing - a dualistic state. Whereas nothing solves that paradox because it is a single state.