MJA, at the knowledge of you being too much of a wise-guy, I'll answer some of your querry within the post, as it's easier than requoting each question...
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Originally Posted by MJA
Hi Lloyd,
Welcome back! How was your vacation? And, if your ready to work, I need some desperate help with my TOE Quest, and hoped you would be so kind to respond. I have only a couple of questions that I cannot find the answers too.
They are:
Who created the "absolute" laws of nature, was it man or nature?[Neither___It was the random mechanics of motion and temp. on F.S.] If you say it was man, are these man made natural laws just or true?[It wasn't man, but they are just and true, as we have no power to change the laws of physics___universal randomness into uniformity___cyclically.] And if it be the latter, nature the source of natural laws, does man know the "absolute" just or truth of them?[That's your choice, whether you want to know or not___many men do, but they are not nature's laws, they are the universal mechanics, and its visibly related laws, producing bio-era-nature.] Has man interpreded them correctly?[That's self-answerable, but some yes, and some no.] Or, are natural laws like man made people laws, in need of contant reinterpretation and revision?[Universal mechanical laws are permanent and unchanging, other than to cyclic universal evolutions' births and deaths/rebirths.] The legal definition of just is only "fair".[Justice is the greater or greatest good for all, i.e., fair.] Is fair the best we can do with any laws, natural or man made.[No, the higher goodness of fair is always improvable, through sound evolutionary thinking and new policy and human law implimentations.] Or more simply, is man's wisdom of nature's laws absolute or only fair?[According to who you are, and how you think. The universe's mechanical laws are both absolute and fair, when thoroughly understood. Human laws are only fair when thouroughly evolved___We have a considerable ways to go here.] Are the laws of nature probable or certain?[The mechanical laws of the universe are certain, or certainly known. Probable laws of man are the yet untried laws, such as ultimate and absolute universal peace and justice. I reccommend logically programmed computers over unsound logic.] Are the laws of nature open, or closed, motionless or ever changing?[Never changing, just on and off, according to visible light matter/energy, or invisible dark matter/energy___It's a cyclic universe, but not the one recently talked about. The numbers need to be redone to Hawking's decay time scales.] Can nature exist without laws, a natural lawless state?[This is two questions in one. Nature requires no laws___We simply interpret her motions as the laws of nature. She works fine never knowing her laws. The second question is about a natural lawless state, and if it be humanity you speak about, no, humanity requires fair and equitable laws to exist, as humans are not the fairest species without laws, yet the laws must greatly evolve to match our truest deepest humanity___the greatest good and least harm possible for all concerned.] Is a state without the restrictions of uncertain laws closer to the absolute truth?[Again, it's according to whether your referring to universe or humanity. The state of the universe is absolutely unrestricted, no matter what the laws are___they just are and it is. If the state be humanity you speak of, a state without the restrictions of uncertain laws have a twofold answer. 1.The present state without the restrictions of uncertain laws would be further from the absolute truth, even as bad as they are. 2.If you refer to a possibly better future state structured law system, without the restrictions of uncertain laws, it would be closer to the absolute truth___humanity needs a lot of waking up for this state to exist.] Would that state of no laws or restrictions be called the nature of freedom?[No, as human freedom is a restriction of freedom, as all would then have the right to kill each other. Liberty, or restricted freedom, allowing the greatest freedom, without infringing on others' liberty, is the greatest freedom/liberty achievable, as a human species. When you see it as the only possible path, it becomes the greatest good possible for humanty to achieve___Liberty/freedom is tricky to know thoroughly___kinda like the uncertainty principle, until known as the universe's and humanity's only possible mechanics.] Could our understanding of natural laws be obscuring or restricting nature's freedom or truth?[Yes, if you refer to human nature's freedom or truth. If you can see the future completeness of human nature's possible law evolution, to the greatest universal good possible, for all, you become less restricted in your own views, i.e., we can see the best future, if we just dream up the best abstract model possible, then actually work toward it with the new laws required___I suggest sliding time scale laws, as to not too quickly upset the applecart. The mechanical universe actually employs sliding time scale laws, or at least that's clearly what I see___evolution.]
Thanks,
= MJA
PS: Perhaps I need more help than you!
How's that, wiseguy?
Lloyd
__________________ "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G. "The tick-tick-tick of the cesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.
Like the moon, challenge night and gain the light;
Like the rose, suffer the thorn—gain the fragrance;
Of life, surrender to live forever—
Enlightened more than a thousand suns. (mystical saying)
— E motion —
Austin relaxed as Profpat had advised, drinking the rest of the half full glass of wedding wine that he’d snatched off the reception’s porch as he took off in his Corvette, for this part came up missing in the previous story. How do things or people “come up” missing is beyond me, for if they are missing, they should not come up. That glasses are seen as half full is a healthy optimism, although many engineers still wonder why the glass is always twice as large as it needs to be in these drinking stories. Same with the near miss of airplanes; might as well be a near hit.
Several other ToeQuestors had been previously taken to safety in the ninja bases, for the protection of the TOE, but their tales remain untold, for now. All the ToeQuestors stayed on for another week or so of education in the bases, for they were avid learners interested in everything and ‘meta’ and even beyond that, plus, this kept them out of the limelight, an old method of theater lighting that gave off a lot of heat, too.
Half of all government agents had been pulled off of the TOE case and put back on the search for Bin Laden, the remaining half now having to keep more eyes and ears open, for ipods had been banned, but then the iphone came out with all the same stuff, plus a phone that they all had to have; however, the Conspiracy was getting interested in the TOE, but this would only cause them to surface more and perhaps make some mistakes.
The Conspiracy, who we shall talk talk about just a little bit here, used heretobefore unknown hi-tech methods to eavesdrop and to protect itself, as well. Nefarious undergoings upon human mental states were reaching levels only hinted at by Hitler’s experiments, and making him look like a pussycat with a mustache.
Almost every ninja was on their case, and there were many success on lone conspirators, but the overall progress of finding their centers was slow. They were all hooked on smoking big cigars for some reason and their car with them in it was spotted by a ninja lookout. A quick phone call led another ninja clad in a light-bending suit following them on a stealth 30-speed bicycle.
“All clear?” asked a Conspirator, looking back.
“I see nothing. Electronic analysis indicates no cars tailing us.”
“I heard from one of our government insiders that the secret of the Theory of Everything, the TOE, has been discovered. Maybe we can use it. Take us to our Commander’s house.”
“We can never be seen going there without an appointment.”
“We aren’t being seen, plus there is nothing confidential there.”
“There is the value of command.”
“Go.”
They entered a high speed highway and so other ninjas on invisible bikes were alerted to pick up the chase somewhere along the way.”
At the Commander’s house, the swift blaze of ninjas from nowhere encircled the Conspirators in a blinding flash of confusion, rendering them all defenseless; however, almost as soon, the Conspirators merely thought a deadly thought that triggered their quick demise, taking all their secrets with them.
“Report valiant failure,” requested the Head ninja. “These guy not possible take alive.”
The reply came back, “Glorious success. Every number add up. Five less of worry and local Commander gone. Search house, but probably this another autonomous cell. Plus, be no use take alive. What hear?”
“Want TOE.”
“Not what like hear, but TOE safe.”
“Rascal was allowed to overhear such happenings and asked, “Autonomous? You do know long words! No link to their center?”
“Not usual. Only indirect but not even weekly; no one know they dead for some time; give us some degree of freedom for while. Sure, I know long word; need sometime, but some too long of say.”
“The ninjas often have such lonely frustrating duty?”
“Happy man not lonely with good at side. Have ninja friends too. Many lady ninjas also.”
“How do you pay them all?”
“Work free; only need food and bed. Come to internet emotion class I teach now? I tell people after class why Conspirator useless taken alive? Ask for idea.”
“I’ll be there.”
The ninja instructor from Rascal’s base was teaching through the internet via iChat to all novices and near experts alike, revealing the mysteries, joys, and pitfalls of good and bad emotions. It was a course that had to be given many times.
“Good idea plus good emotion bring out fine flavor of great glory; bad idea with bad emotion color stains black odor of big fat stink. Good morning class; I be instructor of some molecular events.”
“Isn’t this a course on emotion?” asked Someone.
“Yes, but brain emotion be mere chemical happening, you see. Often missing high school instruction lax in big area of this topic, but waste time do foreign language, history misery, and some people named Art, Jim, and Special Ed. Ha, just joke. Many bored of Ed. Emotion be like sense of inner feel of what to do or color flavor of moment; emotion even make more life decision than thought do many time.”
“What causes emotions?” asked Everybody.
“Neurotransmitter like serotonin and dopamine carry chemical message across non-electrical part of neuron call synapse; too little or too much be bad news. Must eat right, exercise, good sleep, lower stress, work less, or take pill to have many transmitter transmit good vibe; dopamine use for excitement of see new stuff; serotonin like traffic director of signals—if low, then crash, burn, yell, revert to primitive impulse, color thoughts dark, get depress, obsess, worry, by fall for such random spurious atomic transmitter event like dumb fish take hook with know nothing else—but this fish-person think %1000 right and cannot be talk to. Now, who wise enough to ignore own thought? We teach. Not easy, but must do. Need training. Hear saying such:
We fall for our feelings, hook, line, and sinker:
Conditioned responses, reflexes, or
Overwhelming emotions, spurious,
Or anciently planted by evolution.”
“So,” commented Anyone, “bad emotions are just molecular events chemically gone astray or relics that have been stuck with us since ancient times? How unmeaningful is that! No wonder some people are full of angry nonsense!”
“Yes, be random event or old time thing. That all to tell of entire world history of misery from foolish folly of human. Class over.”
“Yes, but no. I joke. History book so sad; waste to study. Much you to learn here now. Reduce evolutionary relic by meditate—this be ‘not what you think’. We thousands years behind in emotion reaction; old impulses from fight tiger or run not apply now; only build up fuss. Hear:
Life’s still emotionally primitive:
Negative feedback mechanisms in
The central nervous system, now useless,
Send out thousands-of-years-old messages.
“Like brainless aggression from anger, and jealousy or envy that blots out all rhyme and reason?” asked One.
“As such. Anger have no brain. Make bad poet. We talk good emotion later, but bad be big problem as see saying:
The highest zone is absolute happiness,
’Though even the best can slip to well-being,
And, sometimes, down into the bearable zone;
Next come the anger, apathy, and death zones!
Once you drop into the anger zone, the
Analytical mind cuts out, giving way
To the primitive reactive mind, a
Moronic state in which even beige seems black.
The simple reactive mind thinks that, say,
A perceived bad tone equals insult equals
Hate equals great anger equals lash out
Equals big fight equals kill equals death.”
“This is horrible and barbaric, these aversive substrates of emotion,” said AllisOne, "the future human races will wonder how we could have survived them.”
“Yes, student. Many mad. It make me feel like kill them, but they no can help this way be. So, must try help them, but if not work, rise above, sail over, jail, bypass, ignore, run away, say go buy loaf of bread never come back. As for self, must learn anger sign. Sometimes, mad, kick dog or cat since make noise, but day before same noise OK, so, not cat or dog fault, but irritable simpleton emotion state assign cat or dog as cause of feeling since:
Hostility stems from low serotonin,
As one falls for moods mindless and brainless
Kicking the cat or kids when one gets home,
Rationalizing that they made some noise.”
“I’m getting mad just thinking about it,” said NotOne.
“Yes, think about or see bad thing groove bad attitude, especial for young youth impress by bad TV show. Must careful be what learn, for mirror neuron practice what see. Just watch bad or good thing a lot and learn do it, like monkey see other monkey dig potato, although this good. Man never forget how ride bike. Learning stay long. Bad emotion like stain on brain—bad emotion deaf to logic, change like molasses or slow forming crystal, be like rock, block sense with non.”
“Thanks, instructor, I see what you mean and I may even get mean from what I see.”
“OK, yes, but see too much bad feeling now. Not want you get mad from hear all bad stuff, so switch on good emotion talk now. Remember thrill of walk log or swing rope over creek? How first kiss put you on air for week? Joy of create house from popsicle stick? Run, jump, play; have friend. All best. All good thing you of humankind known in these ecstasy moment of all good melded happening that lift you heavenward on some great wing. You even see magic wingèd ladies of flowered butterflies glory in flowers with bee. Feel alive. There be life after birth. See slide.”
“But now life’s stress on us weighs us down as if we lived on Jupiter”, commented HarriedOne.
“We suppose talk good stuff now, but… stress be difference between what expect happen and what really happen. When put need ahead of other, result be needless anger at what this life really be, although seem surprise.”
“So, happiness be silk bubble today that lift you to Heaven gateway, but one raven crow in night arrest smile and swipe away?”
“Yes, kind of like that.”
“Do stress exercise so be ready not disappointment:
Breathe in all that’s good, breathe out all that’s bad;
Peace flows into you—it’s warm, wet, and glad.
Feel it spread throughout your body, then say,
This is the best life that I’ve ever had!”
“I don’t know. I want to get places, get ahead, be happy.”
“Put need of other ahead of own produce byproduct of happiness and reduces stress, for no longer have unrealistic expectation.”
“But I need things, stuff…”
“Hear with third eye:
The three lower consciousnesses that are
Obsessed with the securing of objects,
With the chasing of sensations, and with
Power/control will never ever be enough.
There are NO actions of people that can
Justify our becoming irritable
Angry, fearful, jealous or anxious if
We give them our unconditional love.
If we don’t accept the unacceptable,
Then we lower our level of consciousness
Our response will mirror their uptightness—
Which can spread the bad moods onto others.
Putting ourselves in the place of others
When hurtful things are done to us,
Expands our consciousness, compassion, and love
Since we can come to know why they did it.
When we converse with ourselves, it is our
Higher Consciousness, our Conscious Awareness
Or ‘I’, that questions our lower consciousness
Impulses toward securing, sensation, and power.”
“Well, but there are many fools, morons, and low-lifes out there to annoy us day and night.”
“Yes, true, many stupid, but some just not far on golden path of enlightenment. You curse bad driver?”
“Yes, they drive too slow or cut me off?”
“Maybe driver old?”
“I don’t know.”
“Maybe driver learning?”
“I don’t know.”
“Maybe driver lost and not know way?”
“I don’t know.”
“Maybe angry like you at some silly thing?”
“I don’t know.”
“Know I. If see big picture of life one not be annoy if cut off in traffic, for s/he may be like I say above.”
“I never thought of that, I just yelled at them.”
“We teach think with good emotion. You say you want kill driver cut off you in traffic?”
“Yes.”
“This still seem %100 true wish.”
“No, not any more.”
“Hear twice with big ear what now I say—revelation of why big problem in life: Obvious not many cross kill boundary, except New York City and Detroit, but how many less obvious boundary bad emotion cross with no realize?”
“I suppose it happens all day long for some.”
“Yes, but all feeling, sad, happy, in between, crisscross human life cloth. Reflection of life sensation is rainbow coloring scene, or ugly stainbow of oil on road. Learn watch self from afar; be spectator of self. This higher self. Watch parade go by—not engage. View from curb. Sit down, drink wine of happy life.”
“I’ll try, instructor. Maybe half a glass for some is really filled to the brim of optimism. My glass has always been empty even when it was only half empty.”
“Yes, but think thorn have roses, not roses have thorn. I tell you story of rose blossom as realization for me one time when Beauty itself bloom from Well of Truth… Here go. I know life have potential anguish, but we must live fully and so be alive enough to feel beauty, but then expose to opposite twin. Yes, know that Beauty other side be Melancholy, but, for me long ago, sadness come brood over every morrow, so I not know what do and go visit deep Well of Sorrow. But surprise, I see Beauty enshrine there, inseparate from Sadness—and she say, ‘It’s from me that sadness you borrow’.”
“OK, teacher, it seems that there can be no light without the darkness—wow, I’m gaining wisdom fast. What about using drugs for happiness.”
“Wisdom fade fast. Take time sink in. Problems not complex think: simply, misery death follow drink, evil cruelty same reflected; drug lead life out of sync; one become living dead: heroin, crack and such lodge in pleasure receptor made for brain natural opiate endorphin of happiness, but drug not fit right so clog, destroy receptor, then need more drug for same high, then all receptor useless, then dead life forever.”
“OK, forget it. What is the object and purpose of life?”
“Life object be mental happiness—thought all we have; true paradise be state of mind.”
“Sounds good. What does the neurotransmitter Dopamine do?”
“Dopamine lights up interest on new thing so focus attention on novel situation, even boring one, but not boring first time, like something so simple as change some building parking lot. We chalk up interest to thing being new, not realizing forced. This much normal except when need too much newness thrill everyday or take too much risk to feel good, like race car driver, wild acting persons and like.”
“I get it. Let’s talk about some really good emotions, like love.”
“OK, I was to do. Love greatest emotion, right after adventure. Love ultimate reason of live. To for-get, necessary to for-give. Give equal happiness; take equal nothing. Big paradox. Give so receive. Habit take bow to great originality. Good emotion energy become motive and sweep one with energy in motion. Joy be energy from good emotion, gushing stream swirling in unstoppable motion, force over edge as waterfall of boundless power as a tidal wave from endless ocean of perpetual emotion that then create more energy from itself being. Love be exact opposite of taking, is giving. But remember: emotion not whole story; need balance for wholeness: Some classicist drone toward mechanical perfection; romanticist drown in emotional affection, and worse, other alternate between extreme; way not this or that, but join in direction. Need listen now about some long love story that maybe Michael feel ten time more. This be slant to romantic love, but apply to all form, like love of life and goodness:
Love is the finest refreshment of mortal life, providing as it does a glimpse into the heavenly state, a vision which, if maintained, can last well beyond the initial perception and for all of one’s life. So, I say that any time not spent on love is time squandered in absolute waste, that if you are idling, not loving, or, god forbid, hating, then life is a-wasting; for love is the greatest experience on earth, and so I have often sought it out, found it, received it, given it, and lived it as life’s one great happiness, for there is no other joy that compares—love being the truth of all truths.
Who has not forgotten that first kiss and the magic that attended it? No one, for first love touches one deeply and forever. People newly in love glow for weeks on end. There is nothing like love, although, strangely, some do not actively seek it out, perhaps for fear of rejection. But, even love’s worst pain is sweeter by far than any other pleasure; there is, indeed, no contest—and to love and lose is second only to loving in triumph.
Not merely just a pleasure, love refreshes, creates, invigorates, and provides sustenance of spirit and life itself. Without love there is no life, at least none worth living. When you give up on love, you begin to die. Love knows no laws or restrictions, for mutual passion is a law unto itself. Love is the cure-all, both for those who receive it and for those who give it. The one tragedy in life is not death, but that some people do not love—aye, nor do they live, for the fear of the one is fear of the other. So, by all means, if you love somebody, go to them and tell them so right now.
It is said that the loving are the daring, perhaps because they seek the ultimate adventure, often risking all for that which lies far and above the commonplace, that vision into paradise. Imagination weaves a fairy tale of love and romance, and the mind that is alive soon brings forth the phantasm into reality.
Placing our very life and happiness in another through love is the greatest gift one can give, for it is the gift of oneself. Unconditional love is a true gift, one without strings attached, one without any motive for gain in return. Oh, of course, we are human and often love for the sake of being loved in return, and this is not in itself wrong; but, when one loves for no other reason than for the sake of generosity and loving, then this is a saintly type of love which is above all the other kinds.
True love loves people for what they are; not for their qualities in particular, but for the person. It’s not that we love someone because we need them—for this is quite immature—but that we need someone because we love them. It is, you see, love that is the origin. Love begets love and love, in turn, begets more love, and so on, making us even more loving to others, until Heaven is indeed brought down to earth. Real love is its own reward.
Identity is not lost in love, for true lovers do not sit looking only into each other’s heart, but, rather, look outward, both in the same direction. It is a seeming violation of arithmetic that in love two become much greater than one plus one; and that the two, nevertheless, do not become one, but remain as two, yet still share the same vibration in their souls.
It also seems to be a paradox that love, when divided, is not at all diminished, but that each individual love multiplies to exceed the lot. One can never run out of love! It is a miser, indeed, who withholds love from a capacity that is boundless. Hoard not that which can be given. Give love, and even more love comes back full circle to you.
What a joy is it to experience life’s wonders with someone you love—oh, walks, and plays, and dinners are great enough pleasures when taken alone, but note how much better they are when you have someone to share them with. Another bonus of love is, that, with it behind your actions, you may soon find yourself doing the impossible, as love’s inspiration carries you along through any kind of difficulty. For me it was an inspiration to write. Love and a kind heart are much alike, and one is equivalent to the other, love being a triumvirate of truth, beauty, and goodness blended into one great purity. We do not merely love—we are love! We do not create—we are creation itself. We don’t just live — we are life!
There are many forms and faces of love, such as brotherly, sisterly, motherly, fatherly, romantic, spiritual, professional, and physical; and it often depends much upon the circumstance which one is the most appropriate form to give to a particular person, but I think you may agree, that, in all of the above forms of love, there is much more that could be given in any case.”
“Thanks, instructor, but doesn’t some romantic love come from chemical bonding?”
“Yes, chemistry between persons when bonding hormone make love, pheromoaning away, so when in romantic love pretend not know this so enjoy more. Now, student, all above kind of love of goodness bind all ninja of all base; now, soon you too. Next time talk of adventure or consciousness or go on mission, but now you be relax, so sorry but must change topic to enemy Conspiracy. Unspeakable evil exist in world, outside government; give you info in e-mail now. It everywhere but seen nowhere too much but by us. We have many victory, but it large organization. Beyond redemption. Big danger. Face them, then study TOE. Need idea… Read data now… I always ask class…
Rascal spoke, “This is truly terrible. What if we follow some of them to their centers?”
“They too smart; have great surveillance detectors. Can only folow shot distance with bike.”
“Can we infiltrate them?”
“They scan brain for goodness. Kill you fast.”
“Capture one of them by putting them to sleep and read their mind somehow or not so gently convince them to give up their secrets?”
“We try. They have protection in mind. Die if remove. Die if wish anytime.”
“Listen to their plans near one of their centers?”
“There center block emanation from all around and above.”
“What about below?”
“They detect dig tunnel vibration, but this give me idea…”
“What is it?”
“Need refine, study—keep secret from torture of any you now, but this thought-poem I leave you of my feel long ago so you think about emotion and maybe tough time ahead if my idea go over:
One time darkness drain me to be wan moon;
Sickness consume spirit; mantle heavy lead;
Life last glow upon me; eyes crater gone dim.
Death’s ebon form seek me; cover me with cloak.
‘Come with me,’ he say, as cool burning brow
Of dark moon me, ‘I offer you quiet peace’.
Sudden strength come to me, waning crescent wisp.
In night cold shadow I say, ‘un-hold soul, Moon Reaper,
I fully shine once more!’”
"You see, I see all waves as matter, even the most infinitesimal of all___mind/thought/spirit waves."
I was going to ask, "Is that what you think, Lloyd?" Which would imply to me that you are basing material reality on thought, but that wouldn't be fair.
If you can see mind waves as matter, we shouldn't have any problem understanding each other, because I see matter as mind waves. From the absolute unconsciousness mind that carries throughout the infinite/infinitesimal subconscious mind waves that posit the parameters of the bio era and beyond, to the finite conscious mind waves that perceive a time of mutation and evolution.
I can agree with you that the absolute is the solid state, but only suggest that the solid state at that level is no different than the absolute vacuous state. In the sense that hitting a wall that is absolutely solid and hitting non-existence is the same. There is no space for your thick head to move through.
Sorry, I couldn't resist, but really nothing is "clearly proven true," Lloyd. I guess that's why I have absolute faith in "it."
Re: T.o.N. (Theory of Nothing) 
Best thing i've read online for a while!
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