T.o.N. (Theory of Nothing)

[N0B0DY]

I think the mind's eye and the I can be put to sleep through meditation, or every night in deep sleep. But to be put to death is another matter. Self consciousness, even on the absolute level you infer, implies a divisional subject-subject relationship.

I think Jesus made references to something similar when he referred to Lazarus as only sleeping.

It has also been said that to attain the breathless state is to attain eternal life, which applied to the breathing universe implies absolute death as a way to merge with the eternal universe.

[N0B0DY]

"You can blame God if you want to, or blame mankind, if it makes you feel better, but maybe you should look inside first."

I blame God for making the inside the way it is, and I think he blames himself too.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Death may merge us with the universe, our unique identity remaining behind in the no more "alive" mass of "virtual particles" that constitute us in the TON. If, consciousness, too, is left behind, which it probably is, the merging may or may not be anything; it's hard to know. If consciousness merges, it may be an unperceptive immortality as in meditation..

[RascalPuff]

Rascal,

Saw your site—looks great—it should bring in more readers; I'll have to actually read more of it soon.

By some coincidence, you are playing a large role in the the next installment of the ninja-TOE story, which is a good one that resolves a few things and is just awaiting some minor touch-ups and formatting for posting.

Have no fax machine, per say, but my computer can receive faxes from any phone, but I only have a DSL and cable modem, but I think one of my older computers has a phone modem built into it, so I'll try a test and get back to you. (Or you could scan the pictures into your computer and post, if you have a scanner. Profpat needs to divert some funds to us for additional and better computering equipment.)

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If I had a scanner I wouldn't know how to use it.
You got no fax.
Need more information to exchange more information.

I fine mess I've gotten us into this time, Ollie...

Hope yer alternative plan works, and best regards to ninjas everywhere.

RSVP with plan B, ok?

- RP

[mkirkpatrick]

Nobody,

So, to continue, since a cat walked on my keyboard, perhaps the mind’s “eye” of experience from the brain can often be put to sleep, as you know, by the removal of all thoughts during meditation, thhis being not what you think, first by just letting the parade go by unengaged, to gain distance, and then finally dispensing with all thoughts, maybe even with ‘here I am’, too. So then, the ‘I’ of consciousness, that we might really call the ‘It’ that seems to be associated with only with me, has nothing to observe, if indeed witnessing is all that it can do, and is somewhat free of the effects of the corrupted DNA of the universe.

In between this always refreshing and recuperating state of nothing, we can have some good fun with life, all the while knowing from our practicing of distancing not to fall too deeply into the silliness of existence, even when reading and writing books and watching movies that make us feel like we are really therein. My stepson dragged me to a horror movie, but I really couldn’t get scared of some lights on a screen. Same with life, but we have to make something of our time here.

Michael will love this: If the subject-only consciousness of ‘I’ is only an observer of one’s experiences and therefore disassociated from them, as proven by removing all thoughts and still having conscious left, then this ‘I’ state of consciousness is the same for everyone and may then be part of the universe rather than a part of us—or—it is just a higher region of the brain. Consciousness has finally become a big part of the worldwide study of one of the last frontiers, even by scientists, for it never appears in any formulas, yet it is all we have to view “reality” through.

You are absolutely correct there Austin,I do LOVE IT!

warm regards michael.

[Profpat]

Thats funny RP.

I have a scanner and I don't know how to use it myself.

I ripped up your requisition for a scanner Austin, RP doesn't want it.

Did our team come up with billions by selling antimatter. Which foreign bank account did I deposited it in? I forget.

Nobody, I think our insides are fine also. Well maybe not mine, the doctor told me I have a big floppy heart, instead of the tight muscle it should be. But I love my big floppy heart, so my insides are fine too.

Best to all,

Pat

P.S. Sorry for my rather harsh prior post

[RascalPuff]

"Have no fax machine, per say, but my computer can receive faxes from any phone, but I only have a DSL and cable modem, but I think one of my older computers has a phone modem built into it, so I'll try a test and get back to you. (Or you could scan the pictures into your computer and post, if you have a scanner. Profpat needs to divert some funds to us for additional and better computering equipment.)"

Austin:
If it's ok by you, you could PM me your snail mail address or a P.O. box if you've got one.
I also have DSL cable modem, but don't know the first thing about anything except how to fax it.

Anyone you're close to gotta fax?

Keep up the outstanding work, my friend. It sure is interesting to read what I've been doing lately in your book. Very curious to know what you think - and what might pictorially come of it - if and after you've read all seven parts of my site.

Gotta be honest with you in saying I'm fishing for more of your illustrations relating to my work site. There's one illustration in particular that I'd really like to see you do ('an ensemble of multi-moment space time sytems'); that's the one - with a few others - I could send to your PM'd address if it's all right by you.

But I can send fax's to any provided fax number you connect me to.

Best regards,
- RP

[austintorn@aol.com]

Rascal,

Am happy to work on any of your pictures. Sent you my snail address by PM; didn't want any CIA to come snooping around. Send other online pics as PM or give web site address. Still thinking about fax.

You must be sleep walking at night, having many adventures with ninjas that somehow turn into the written word, but don't quit your day job yet, and remember that we are all pluralities that can be in many places at once. Ninjas may be picking you up in L.A. in a small black jet.

I'll print out your web site and carry it around with me and get into it, along with trying to remember college physics, which was actually my favorite course.


Nobody,

Maybe the best life we can have, although not perfect, is to make the best of the good things, and ignore, subdue, or tame the aversive substrates of the often barbaric human emotional system by stepping back a few paces from the horror movie.


Profpat,

The tenderness of the human heart is an asset. Thanks for being one who keeps ToeQuest going.

[N0B0DY]

Easier said than done for some, Austin, but noted. As is your humility as well, RP.

Re the pictures speaking a thousand words, I remember conversing with Fredrick about the sole governing factor of reality being - or not being - time.

Being the unthinkable thinker that I am, and considering your discovery of adding the 3 spatial dimensions to the 4th as a gravitational space-time expansion - ingenious and ingenuous: http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie - wondered if it would be possible for both time to stand absolutely still and nevertheless present a present moment for observers.

Again bear with me, as per a previous discussion re the proportionate retention of physical properties throughout all scales, with past/future being scale-dependent and the present being scale-independent, is it possible to rid the present of both proper and co-ordinate time?

[RascalPuff]

Easier said than done for some, Austin, but noted. As is your humility as well, RP.

Re the pictures speaking a thousand words, I remember conversing with Fredrick about the sole governing factor of reality being - or not being - time.

Being the unthinkable thinker that I am, and considering your discovery of adding the 3 spatial dimensions to the 4th as a gravitational space-time expansion - ingenious and ingenuous: http://forums.delphiforums.com/EinsteinGroupie - wondered if it would be possible for both time to stand absolutely still and nevertheless present a present moment for observers.

Again bear with me, as per a previous discussion re the proportionate retention of physical properties throughout all scales, with past/future being scale-dependent and the present being scale-independent, is it possible to rid the present of both proper and co-ordinate time?

... "wondered if it would be possible for both time to stand absolutely still and nevertheless present (allot) a present moment for observers."

You're on it there, Nobody.

Until further notice, that's the 4-D space-time continuum moment - of the present - that we're all riding on...

Out of the pie chart slice < of A-B-C - left-to-right - past, present and future expansion (which is actually more Riemannian shaped due to acceleration), we're always in the middle (B) of microcosmic (A) and macrocosmic (C) infinity; in a steady state universe...

You're a great outlet - and inlet - to be corresponding with about this, Nobody.

I'm usually dealing with well intended but unintiated folks who haven't read my book or forum site, asking and answering questions that they'd otherwise be post graduated from. Often requires me to re-do the work, piecemeal, in talking with/writing to ppl about it. At some such times I repeat illustrations and quotes, which I may only hope Robert will continue to allow for.

Take note that there's still linear and curvilinear motions (times & expansions) taking place at (eternally present) moment B.

Incidentally Austin, I used to live in Pleasant Valley, near Wappingers Falls, N.Y. - not far from you. A condensed edition of my book is on it's way to you. We can talk about what illustrations to use - from what pages - after you let me know when you receive it. (Got your PM)

- RP