T.o.N. (Theory of Nothing)

[everymansmedium]

Hello:
The universe or multiverse is not contained within the VOID. It is not a container, nor is there a within. We are much too familiar with our existence within space. We try to imagine the VOID, but we can not remove from our concept of reality the idea of containment. The universe or multiverse is not contained within anything. The universe or multiverse because of its existence provides a boundary of itself. This is the boundary between something and nothing. It is not an open boundary nor can it be found or pointed to. The only thing that does exist is the primary force. Its lines of force are orbital about its center. There is nothing beyond these lines of force, and because they are a loop they are infinite. There is no point of beginning or end. All other forces beyond the primary are inherent to their specific universe. There are two 4 dimensional existence mediums and one 3 dimensional interface resulting with a total of 11 dimensions.

[N0B0DY]

I think your dimensional interpretation is agreeable, and you interpretation of eternity, but it seems the same logic is being applied as that of finite models that place a literal existence within non existence.

My assumption is based on your statement: "The universe or multiverse because of its existence provides a boundary of itself. This is the boundary between something and nothing."

If there is only nothing, no literal "something" arbitrarily inserted, then all conceptual problems disappear; but if we conceptualize a presumed existence, we have no choice but to accept the paradox created.

It has been suggested that if we come across a paradox, there is something wrong with the model, and absolute non existence seems to be the only means of eradicating the above universal paradox.

[Fluent Piffle]

Only what is real is REAL.

Whatever concept we use to describe it is then 'metaphysical'. We can point to a bird, for example, and call it a 'bird', but that name we give it is a 'metaphysical' description, and not the bird itself. The bird does not consider itself a 'bird', just because we describe it so. This is evidence of the Human ego pretending its 'superiority' again.

Likewise, there is only 'paradox' when we misunderstand that which we are trying to describe, by separating 'things' which are not, in essence, separable.

An Infinite Universe 'operates' essentially as an entire, or one whole thing, for it can do nothing else. When there is movement within it, this motion happens in a necessary way. The shape of the sphere is predominant for very good reason; if the Universe were NOT infinite, the spherical shape would not be necessary.

There is only existence. 'Existence' is primarily of one thing, but it produces all the 'things' within itself that we observe, and indeed are. Only when we think of ourselves as 'separate' do we also contrive of everything 'else' as being so.

And yet, we have to exist in the way we have evolved to know how; by taking 'parts' from 'here', and putting them 'there'. These 'dualisms' are not two 'separate' ways of understanding, but they compliment each other, as both are necessary, thus only 'paradoxical' when we are not able to reconcile our own 'separatist' thinking.

The greater Universe 'works' in such a way that Humans have not evolved to 'see'. We are still on the 'path' towards understanding. It is only in very recent times that we have developed the ability to even think of what 'Space' is, based on REAL evidence, and not some 'Aetherical speculation'.

Yes, we have 'intuition', with which we conceptualise 'metaphysically', and without it we would not have the impetus to explore the reality at all, would therefore condemn ourselves to continued ignorance, which, as we know, is damaging, but we must follow this intuition through to its physical truth, because that is the chosen 'path' of the Human form. We must know, because not knowing (believing), is damaging in its blindness.

We WILL know truth, one way or another, because truth is also 'existence', is all there truly is. What exists is truth. What does not exist has no business even being talked about, is just the doubting of the Human-form because of its own misinterpretation of its surroundings.



pif.

[N0B0DY]

I agree that knowledge is required, pif, but only absolute knowledge can suffice. What we think we know can apparently lead us into a whole world of trouble - filled to the rim with bombs...based on knowledge...just waiting to go off.

There is alot of talk about truly this and that, and real this and truth, but I can't claim nor feel comfortable about proclamations of truth based on misleading observations that you can never prove to be objective.

This thread has been through quite a hay ride, but the gist is space or first philosophy or absolute substance that you claim is supported by REAL evidence which you haven't shared...being relevant to the gist, feel free to post whatever you feel will straighten the mess out.

You spoke of separation and that is what everyone is doing at the fundamental level or universal level, pif. Consider the polarity example again, where it takes two separatepoles to render observable what we classify as a real existence in a real 3-d space based on three separate dimensions and many more. Now unify them absolutely (scientifically defined as really) and what happens to everything when there is no possible separation? Unify north and south absolutely together, or positive and negative, and we get the age-old misunderstood nothing, not one unknown thing that we think we know. So why pretend when it doesn't matter?

You took the time and made a great effort, but you'll run again before debating. So as it stands, the truth that IS is the truth that isn't imo.

[Fluent Piffle]

Nobody, you believe it is possible to have north without south? They are two halves of the same thing, or they do not exist.

You may insist on the 'age old misunderstood nothing', but there are a growing number of real people who are beginning to understand otherwise. This is necessary, as our misunderstood nothing of an old age is what has led us to the brink of self-destruction.

I notice the $ is at an all-time low today!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7004104.stm


pif.

P.S. Truth has no need to run anywhere, ever. Debating is fine, but senslessly arguing with...

the truth that IS is the truth that isn't imo.

...who has time to waste on that?

[Profpat]

Hi Pif;

Humans are superior.

Best to all,

Pat

[N0B0DY]

Reading what people write is helpful, pif. Where did I imply a north without a south?

If you look back it should read neither north nor south when absolutely unified, which is essentially what the TOE is about - unification. Though, like all science, zero and infinities are neglected which is a large part of the reason the world has to depend on oil and electricity to power and hence pollute the world.

"The truth that IS is the truth that isn't" is a statement declaring ill-conceived notions of limitations based on empirical and theoretical science and even religious beliefs. We need a new math and new means of extracting energy from the zero point, but first we need to have a clue what the zero point is in order to progress properly and slowly over time. Otherwise things get to the point we observe today by people rushing to outdo the other, and marketing new products to the public, without realizing consequences.

Ultimately, we both know that human nature won't fix itself because of man's innate selfishness. Yet, we don't have to depress ourselves thinking this world is the be-all-end-all, but can know that there is a world without these problems when we realize what is require for eradicating the world of these problems. Which is a knowledge that little man can never acquire, but the universe already has. Even infinite knowledge wouldn't be enough, and this is why I proclaim there is an infinite difference between the infinite and absolute.

Analogous to the human mind is the Earth with its poles, where dividing the Earth infinitely retains polarity. Science concerns itself with extracting finite measurements that are consciously observable, not with infinity and non existence. Yet really consider this, pif, that without the non-existent divider there can't be polarity or differentiation of which empirical reality is based. The absolute mind is non-existent and still, and consciousness is based on a quantum madness that needs to be ordered to render our macro reality.

The problem, imo, is we have lost touch with stillness in motion and concern ourselves with only motion. We're too rushy and the world is a by product of haste. Though, I think you're right, eventually everything will be known, but it's a shame that the long journey has to be so painfully imbalanced.

[everymansmedium]

The concept of the void has always been a problem to our thought processes. We think that if there is nothing there then we can put something there. This is our mind still in space, thinking about space. The thought is that space is something. It is a container. The thought that because there is nothing that you can go there, is not true. If you picture that you have only 3 dimensions of space can you put something in there? No you absolutely can not because it requires time for the movement of the particles to put it there. Space without time is like a solid unbreakable substance that can not be penetrated in any way. Now if you remove the container / space and leave nothing. Just the void. This also is impenetrable except by the primary force.

We have only one thing, the primary force and it’s lines of force that is bounded by absolutely NOTHING.
Because these lines of force are circular or orbital they appear as infinite. This primary force creates it own space and time, in which it exists. It makes its own container and ours as well.

[everymansmedium]

It seems that I am still in the process of getting a grip on using the system here. I find that when I respond to a post. It is no longer in sequence with the most recient posts. I was interupted at my desk a number of times during my attemp at coherent posting. I should wait for a more quiet time to communicate. Try again later.
John

Reading what people write is helpful, pif. Where did I imply a north without a south?

If you look back it should read neither north nor south when absolutely unified, which is essentially what the TOE is about - unification. Though, like all science, zero and infinities are neglected which is a large part of the reason the world has to depend on oil and electricity to power and hence pollute the world.

"The truth that IS is the truth that isn't" is a statement declaring ill-conceived notions of limitations based on empirical and theoretical science and even religious beliefs. We need a new math and new means of extracting energy from the zero point, but first we need to have a clue what the zero point is in order to progress properly and slowly over time. Otherwise things get to the point we observe today by people rushing to outdo the other, and marketing new products to the public, without realizing consequences.

Ultimately, we both know that human nature won't fix itself because of man's innate selfishness. Yet, we don't have to depress ourselves thinking this world is the be-all-end-all, but can know that there is a world without these problems when we realize what is require for eradicating the world of these problems. Which is a knowledge that little man can never acquire, but the universe already has. Even infinite knowledge wouldn't be enough, and this is why I proclaim there is an infinite difference between the infinite and absolute.

Analogous to the human mind is the Earth with its poles, where dividing the Earth infinitely retains polarity. Science concerns itself with extracting finite measurements that are consciously observable, not with infinity and non existence. Yet really consider this, pif, that without the non-existent divider there can't be polarity or differentiation of which empirical reality is based. The absolute mind is non-existent and still, and consciousness is based on a quantum madness that needs to be ordered to render our macro reality.

The problem, imo, is we have lost touch with stillness in motion and concern ourselves with only motion. We're too rushy and the world is a by product of haste. Though, I think you're right, eventually everything will be known, but it's a shame that the long journey has to be so painfully imbalanced.

[Fluent Piffle]

Hi Nobody,

I can see that you have yet to grasp the meaning behind the word 'infinity'. You will not progress in thought until you re-examine this error. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are honest and would like to progress.

Profpat,

Please tell, how a species which is in the process of its own blind self-destruction can be in any way 'superior'? 'Death camps', 'Weapons of mass destruction', 'global warming', are all very recent acquisitions, so it's not as if we're part of a process which is getting 'better', is it?

Pretending 'superiority' is the very thing that makes us blind to the opposite. If anything of the 'north/south' post makes any sense to you, you will realise that neither are truly existent, and that by denying half of what is real, choosing only subjective positions (which 'measurement' does) and thereby inventing 'separation', we have arrived at the point the world is at now.

If arrogant Europeans hadn't blasted their way into the Americas with their airs of 'superiority', they may have been more impressed with the wisdom of sustainability that they found at the time. Now, they must learn the hard way. This is but one example of how the psychological imbalance of 'elitism' stabs itself in the foot every time.

The real Universe is fundamentally and harmonically balanced, as you would expect to find when you realise that the entirety of existence can only be one thing. 'Gravity' is the harmonic motion of spherical wave-centres, which attract each other because they are all attempting to revert to their original wholeness, as they can do nothing else. This Universal action causes the finite 'things' to form as we observe them. We can know this because we are made of the very same stuff, hence we have 'intuition' of it. The balance of this is that we also have 'doubt', and this must be reconciled with 'knowing', hence the invention of 'science', as a natural progression in seeking knowledge of Self (existence).

Instead of reacting, think about it. No 'separate' thing can exist without its surroundings to support it; if this is true of any one 'part', it must be true of all 'parts', otherwise our 'separate' thing would have to exist on a completely different Universal plain to the rest of existence, and then however would we know of it? (This line of enquiry is also untenable, when it is realised that existence must necessarily also be infinite, in 3 dimensions, to achieve the results which we observe, and hence no 'other' Universe [including an 'absolute', whatever that is!] 'outside' of the one infinite thing we exist as part of).

Thus, all things are interconnected into one existence, and must therefore 'work' as a basic wholeness, before any other internal property can be considered (let alone 'measured').

However, this is your thread, Nobody, and I haven't come to argue, just expound upon the philosophy of the forthcoming zeitgeist, should humanity decide to choose the wisdom of sustainability over self-destruction. The time of reconciliation with Truth has arrived. What you do with it is your concern, but arguing with reality will not make it go away. You all know the consequences by now.


pif.