T.o.N. (Theory of Nothing)

[Eric]

I'm glad Lloyd,

Hang in there and let's see what develops from my discussion with Nobody.

Eric

[lodestar]

If by space you mean empty I agree, it doesn't exist.

I don't mean empty, which implies a 4-dimensional construct, I mean non-dimensional non existence.

Yes, when I say empty I mean undefined, which means non-dimensional

If you truely consider that 1/0 is the definition of everything, you will see very clearly that it means that everything is more than infinite. For just as 0 is less than 1/infinity, so too 1/0 is more than infinity. Do you see?

I see what you mean, Lode, but you're mistaken. The infinitesimal to the infinite is all that can "exist" - illusively. Once we attempt to go beyond infinity, and proclaim we've found absolute zero or one or one divided by zero, is the moment we're wrong.

And why is this that we can't understand 1/0? You still haven't told me.

if 1/0=everything
then it means that everything*0=1
not that everything*1=0

Do you remember when I explained to you that everything*0 does equal 1? Because 1/0*0=0/0

No, lode, not at all. It proves that one divided by zero can't be used as an accurate representation of either one or zero: zero divided by one can represent zero because zero equals zero times one; zero divided by zero can represent one because zero equals one times zero; but one divded by zero can't represent anything or everything because one doesn't equal zero times anything or everything.

Correction, 1/0*0 does equal 0/0
actually look at it this time and you will see correct

The zero divided by one represents the unreachable/non-existent absolute point beyond the infinitesimal (positive and/or negative); and the zero divded by zero represents the unreachable/non-existent absolute point beyond the infinite (positive and/or negative).

correction, 0/0=anything
that means 0/0=nothing and 0/0=everything

[Eric]

Lloyd,

Nobody and I were on a track and you just had to blast in with how many posts in a row?

You are certainly the death of the party.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Sorry Eric, I back out completely, unless asked.

Lloyd

Lloyd,

Nobody and I were on a track and you just had to blast in with how many posts in a row?

You are certainly the death of the party.

[Eric]

Thanks Lloyd.

Nobody, we left off on the previous page (#257).

Eric

[N0B0DY]

If it is true or we can make it true, I would then like to discuss the difference we have, about what this "finite<infinity" either moves (extends) from, within, or both.

Hello again, Eric. Sorry we left off on such a sour note. Something came up I had to take care of.

If you still want to have another go at this, I would say that your comment above aims at the crux of my premise: that any existence requires a relative measurement to exist at all. Even the infinite/infinitesimal, though it can never be measured by a scientific means, implies relative measurements.

With that said, the absolute point from which all measurements extend from and to which all measurements extend into must always remain to be nothing at all. I.e., the absolute innermost and outermost reality of relativity is non-existence.

Happy New Year to all, btw.

[Eric]

This thread stands, still stands, on the logical premise that zero is the only possible absolute, there is no such thing as "one," because everything else is infinite/infinitesimal which cannot be quantized.

Hi. Welcome back.

What you say about infinite/infinitesimal preculuding 1 is true. Mathematicians almost to a person, either don't understand this or are unwilling to deal with it.

But does the absence of a 1, truly leave 0 as the absolute? In mathematics, the 0 is the result of quantizing as well. The 0 is assumed, no less than the 1 is assumed. They are equally problematic.

Infinity precludes both the 1 and the 0. Infinity doesn't begin at 0 or end at 1. Infinity has no beginning or end. Both of them are finite. Neither one of them are absolute.

To understand absolute, requires an entirely new mathematical viewpoint. An absolute 1 and 0, are not the same 1 and 0, that mathematics uses.

Mathematics as it is, can only get from 0 to a decimal point with an indeterminate number of 9's after it (.999999.....). But it also can't get from .999999 etc. down to any less than a decimal point with an indeterminate number of 0's with a 1 after them.

Are you saying non-existence is the existence from which relativity comes?

[Aimtb]

Since you think with your brain; you are phsysical while you are thinking. Your thoughts do not exist. You are experiencing what you are thinking. But experiencing and thinking are not the same thing.
And by the way: you don't think with your mind. You think with matter. Whats the matter with you all. lol
Nothing is a metaphor for a thought. A thought has a beginning and an ending and a thought has an order; the beginning before the ending and the ending after the beginning. That which has a beginning and an ending is physical. And thus the bible says that the physical has a beginning (the beginning of time). Everything or infiniti or God has no beginning and no ending. And thus everything or infiniti is not the same thing as the physical or flesh.
"God is Love
Love is feeling
Feeling is Love
Feeling is God"-me

The physical and the emotional are not the same thing. But God is both physical and emotional since feelings are emotional.

However thinking is different during the night. Your thoughts in your dreams have no beginnings and no endings because they are always changing. "God is one in the night"-me.
Since your thoughts are opposite in the night as they are during REM sleep; experiencing is also opposite during the night.

But the physical is always changing and so if the physical did not exist the time could not change and thus God would not exist unless the physical existed. And thus Nothing has existed as long as God has existed. but since God is infinite; nothing has existed forever.
There are a few rules which I have already worked out but you have to wait untill my book comes out. The book will be called "THINK". Copy my stuff and quote me. Roger Walker. lol

[N0B0DY]

Are you saying non-existence is the existence from which relativity comes?

Not exactly, because non-existence isn't an existence. Rather I'm saying that existence, any existence, is the basis for relativity with the true axis being non-dimensional/non-existent.

If you consider a point of any measurement, that can be increased or decreased infinitely, it is always relative to other measurements. Whereas when we remove the point, completely/absolutely, there are no longer any measurements and so relativity ceases - relative and absolute are opposites according to the dictionary. So 1 must be relative, and 0 must be absolute; existence is relative, and non-existence is the only absolute. If we say "one" is absolute, there is one and nothing else - dual; but if we say "none" is absolute, there is none and nothing else - non-dual.

[N0B0DY]

But the physical is always changing and so if the physical did not exist the time could not change and thus God would not exist unless the physical existed. And thus Nothing has existed as long as God has existed. but since God is infinite; nothing has existed forever.

Good posting, Aim. It's funny you bring up the bible, I was just thinking last night about the origin of Amen, which Jesus proclaims he is, in the book of Revelation. Amen is the same as Amin, Amon, Aum, Om, the sacred Word of the Hindus. The beginning of creation through sound and light implies a gateway to the supreme peace of the Father, or rather the unification of the Father and Mother before their separation.

In other words, the exact unification or that much-talked-about marriage at the end of time is devoid of creation where there can be a new creation from nothing, or the supreme stillness within the mind.