T.o.N. (Theory of Nothing)

[Drifter]

Nor do I sir, no offence taken here and none meant.
Just a hypothetical consceptual overlay, I meant no harm.

Just want to say, I have no problem with Lloyd or Neutralino, Drifter. They are honest and at least attempt to debate points in a meaningful way. Pif has proven not to be able to communicate properly when asked specific questions regarding the difference between absolute and infinity/relativity.

Lloyd, my reference to your agreement with my position, refers to the absolute one that I had thought we agreed does not exist outside of its relative functioning. I had thought that our disagreement was due to the mechanics involved in the infinite model which I still remain to proclaim is an impossibility. If you would like to have another go at it, to explain how infinite contraction can result in finite systems, I'm willing to consider it if you can depict the process differently than before.

Neutralino, if you can explain how the decimal points are bridged to render the infinite as absolute, I would love to have a look at what you got. I think it misleading to say that the majority would find reason to concede to what appears to be a blatant misunderstanding of "positions" - similar to the analogous analog-digital conversions, or renormalization, where there is an infinite amount of information lost; there is an infinite number of positions lost in your assesment of what the "1" represents, unless you are stating that infinity has a limit.

Lloyd has also submitted that near-absolute zero is close enough to be absolute zero, but understand that my position is based on the absolute state being equated with no motion whatsoever, so there can be no degrees of freedom allowable. So 0.0.....1 kelvin is not the same as absolute zero; just as 0.999... cannot be the same as 1 - being in the strictest absolute sense equated with zero and non-existent in and of itself. Following then, only the relative abstractions - which are infinite - can be said to exist without ever reaching the absolute state. If you are familiar with the noumenal, then my proposition is that the absolute non-existent state equals the noumenon of which all illusory measurements are empirically- and theoretically-derived as a result of time dilation which renders "c" constant through the cmb.

[Drifter]

Something about Nothing . . .

Avadhut Gita by Dattatreya

http://oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk7.html

[Drifter]

this is so beautiful and worthy of examination I cannot help but share it here. . . namaste`

Blaise Pascal’s Pensee's 1660

Man's disproportion.--This is where our innate knowledge leads us. If it be not true, there is no truth in man; and if it be true, he finds therein great cause for humiliation, being compelled to abase himself in one way or another. And since he cannot exist without this knowledge, I wish that, before entering on deeper researches into nature, he would consider her both seriously and at leisure, that he would reflect upon himself also, and knowing what proportion there is... Let man then contemplate the whole of nature in her full and grand majesty, and turn his vision from the low objects which surround him. Let him gaze on that brilliant light, set like an eternal lamp to illumine the universe; let the earth appear to him a point in comparison with the vast circle described by the sun; and let him wonder at the fact that this vast circle is itself but a very fine point in comparison with that described by the stars in their revolution round the firmament. But if our view be arrested there, let our imagination pass beyond; it will sooner exhaust the power of conception than nature that of supplying material for conception. The whole visible world is only an imperceptible atom in the ample bosom of nature. No idea approaches it. We may enlarge our conceptions beyond an imaginable space; we only produce atoms in comparison with the reality of things. It is an infinite sphere, the centre of which is everywhere, the circumference nowhere. In short, it is the greatest sensible mark of the almighty power of God that imagination loses itself in that thought.
Returning to himself, let man consider what he is in comparison with all existence; let him regard himself as lost in this remote corner of nature; and from the little cell in which he finds himself lodged, I mean the universe, let him estimate at their true value the earth, kingdoms, cities, and himself. What is a man in the Infinite?
But to show him another prodigy equally astonishing, let him examine the most delicate things he knows. Let a mite be given him, with its minute body and parts incomparably more minute, limbs with their joints, veins in the limbs, blood in the veins, humours in the blood, drops in the humours, vapours in the drops. Dividing these last things again, let him exhaust his powers of conception, and let the last object at which he can arrive be now that of our discourse. Perhaps he will think that here is the smallest point in nature. I will let him see therein a new abyss. I will paint for him not only the visible universe, but all that he can conceive of nature's immensity in the womb of this abridged atom. Let him see therein an infinity of universes, each of which has its firmament, its planets, its earth, in the same proportion as in the visible world; in each earth animals, and in the last mites, in which he will find again all that the first had, finding still in these others the same thing without end and without cessation. Let him lose himself in wonders as amazing in their littleness as the others in their vastness. For who will not be astounded at the fact that our body, which a little while ago was imperceptible in the universe, itself imperceptible in the bosom of the whole, is now a colossus, a world, or rather a whole, in respect of the nothingness which we cannot reach? He who regards himself in this light will be afraid of himself, and observing himself sustained in the body given him by nature between those two abysses of the Infinite and Nothing, will tremble at the sight of these marvels; and I think that, as his curiosity changes into admiration, he will be more disposed to contemplate them in silence than to examine them with presumption.
For, in fact, what is man in nature? A Nothing in comparison with the Infinite, an All in comparison with the Nothing, a mean between nothing and everything. Since he is infinitely removed from comprehending the extremes, the end of things and their beginning are hopelessly hidden from him in an impenetrable secret; he is equally incapable of seeing the Nothing from which he was made, and the Infinite in which he is swallowed up.
What will he do then, but perceive the appearance of the middle of things, in an eternal despair of knowing either their beginning or their end. All things proceed from the Nothing, and are borne towards the Infinite. Who will follow these marvellous processes? The Author of these wonders understands them. None other can do so.

[Drifter]

Brilliant minds
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/?p=252

21th Century "Neuronauts"
http://www.fargonebooks.com/leary.html

[Drifter]

Here in Florida there's a non-denominational congregation of like-minded people and every time I attend a "sermon" I am so moved by an invisible energy it feels as if I'm a storage battery that was unknowing low and by the time I leave my soul has been fully energized, I can't discribe that feeling in physical terms but I'm sure you know exactly what I mean.
It's as real as touching an electrical source and feeling that charge of energy entering your body.
Except it isn't a dis-pleasureable experience at all and it courses through and along the spinal column from the tail bone to the base of the skull, one might say; It feels like the holy-spirit tip-toe-ing up and down ones spine.
It even makes the hair stand on end! When I recall it, I get goose bumps! =-)
I think it's one of the most exhilarating and awesome experiences a human being can experience.
One feels completely "awashed"/"cleansed" by it.

Wow Drifter, I felt the vibration of heart string again!

Thanks,

=
MJA

[Drifter]

The Solar Angel collects himself,
scatters not his force but,
in meditation deep,
communicates with his reflection -The Way of the Disciple.

[melanie]

The Solar Angel collects himself,
scatters not his force but,
in meditation deep,
communicates with his reflection -The Way of the Disciple.

Morning sunrise on ( Mount Rainier )

a quiet reflection of nature's beauty,in the stillness of the eternal now ..

[Drifter]

Happy Sun Day Love, such a reflection so beautiful.

http://ebionite.com/

http://mystic.nazirene.org/

As the twig is bent, in quiet meditation . . .

The eye of the Avadhut opens . . .

Morning sunrise on ( Mount Rainier )

a quiet reflection of nature's beauty,in the stillness of the eternal now ..

[melanie]

[Quote] Happy Sun Day Love, such a reflection so beautiful.

http://ebionite.com/

http://mystic.nazirene.org/



Hi
From a grey, wet and windy, beautiful english sun day,
thanks for the lovely links,
more food for the heart that hungers for the Beloved

Just as the birds are nurtured by the wisdom of natures
abundant supply, .. will our own thirst be quenched .

Like the Tao .. all is perfect .. timeless .. plentiful .. awareness .. presence ..
multiplicity appearing as .. One LOVE ..

..here-now .. appearing as stories, all unique concepts in sequence,
made through apparent sensations, creating a momentary experience.

all words written are unique conceptual expressions of love ..
and the words are perceived and interpreted, .. by the uniqueness of the apparent perceiver,
creating the apparent perceiver's own unique reality ..all appearing in this awareness presence of the One

...


..

[Drifter]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/faithalone.html

Hi
From a grey, wet and windy, beautiful english sun day,
thanks for the lovely links,
more food for the heart that hungers for the Beloved

Just as the birds are nurtured by the wisdom of natures
abundant supply, .. will our own thirst be quenched .

Like the Tao .. all is perfect .. timeless .. plentiful .. awareness .. presence ..
multiplicity appearing as .. One LOVE ..

..here-now .. appearing as stories, all unique concepts in sequence,
made through apparent sensations, creating a momentary experience.

..