T.o.N. (Theory of Nothing)

[melanie]

[quote nobody]We can both quote gitas and ancient scriptures all day, but if we don't have experiences that support what we write, they are just words that offer a better cage to comfort us.[/quote]



There is no-one to have experiences, to support what we are writing or otherwise,
except as an appearance, [phantom]

'we' are the 'experiencing' of the ONE .. AS the many, and not separate from that of the [known ONE ] one with the knowing ..
'we' are the experiencing, .. the phantom arising via sensation apparently .. so nothing to give comfort to, just an arising identification to an apparent entity.

There is no individual to gather comfort or immune us from anything
except as an appearance, .. all is appearance including the i-dea of 'us' having the sensation of comfort.

All there is .. is this self shining display .. IS-ness arising in this only NOW moment.
All perfect and complete, lacking nothing.



melanie.

[melanie]

Hidden from awareness is interesting terminology, Melanie. I agree, but I'm sure Drifter wouldn't due to absolute awareness.

I don't know about the substance though, if there can be a substance that is not substantiated by the subconscious parameters that trick the mind into believing there are differentiable substances. If all is the same substance, what is being felt and by whom?

All sensations are arising in a flash and disappearing in a flash,
And as each experience sensation appears
it too is one with consciousness
there is no 'choice' in this 'oneness'
for it is in the nature of consciousness
that the experience is inseparable from it.
What is the nature of absolute awareness
what or to whom is sensation arising?

As the senses are stilled and no meaning remembered
no 'things' are seen or heard or tasted or smelled or felt
in the absence of all appearances
in the absence of 'experiencing'
what then is the nature of THIS

Where then is the sun
when a dreamer awakes from his dream, where is the content.
though the sun is ever the sun.

(for this that is known can never become unknown) (one with the knowing)

there is no 'dream content' (including the apparent sun) until it is dreamed
all is a dream in awareness, myriad of dreams apparently.
all apparent separate perspectives, are all in the same world story ( already in the knowing) conceived.

There is no choice in being,
in being, seeing, tasting, smelling, feeling hearing and knowing
Nor any choice in what is known, for all that is knowable ( form and meaning) is known now, ever unchanged.

melanie.

[Drifter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KReZyAZLI0

Definitions

"Zeitgeist" refers to the ethos of a select group of people, that express a particular (predominantly post-modern) world view, which is prevalent at a particular period of socio-cultural progression.
Zeitgeist is the experience of a dominant cultural climate that defines, particularly in Hegelian thinking, an era in the dialectical progression of a people or the world at large. Hegel's main contribution to the formulation of the concept of Volksgeist is the attribution of a historical character to the concept. The spirit of a nation is one of the manifestations of "World Spirit" (Weltgeist). That Spirit is essentially alive and active throughout mankind's history. Now, the spirit of a nation is an intermediate stage of world history as the history of the World Spirit. The World Spirit gives impetus to the realization of the historical spirits of various nations (Volksgeister').
The spirits of individual nations are both the articulations (Gliederungen) of an organization and its realization. The spirits of individual nations represent a segment of the World Spirit out of which emerges the unlimited universal spirit. A comparison is introduced here between the status of an individual and that of a nation's spirit. In the process of his formation the individual undergoes various changes without, however, losing his identity. As a part of world history, a nation—exhibiting a certain trend expressed in its Volksgeist— plays its part in the total process of world history. But once it contributes its share to world history it can no longer play a role in the process of world history. The submersion in the total process prevents a people's cultural rebirth, because it has exhausted its creativity in the historical growth of its guiding spirit. It is for this reason that one of Hegel's disciples, Michelet, considered the idea of a renaissance of the Jewish people as philosophically impossible.
http://www.answers.com/zeitgiest?cat=health&gwp=11&method=3&ver=2.3.0.609


Quotations


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• Whoever marries the zeitgeist will be a widower soon. - August Everding
• Opinions, that deviate from the ruling zeitgeist, always aggravate the crowd. - Germaine de Staël
• The product of paper and printed ink, that we commonly call the book, is one of the great visible mediators between spirit and time, and, reflecting zeitgeist, lasts as long as ore and stone. - Johann Georg Hamann
• Ohh, spirit of the age - crusher, Peter Godfrey
• Don't take any shit from the zeitgeist. - comedian George Carlin
• You exist in the Zeitgeist with a cane, sir. - Debbie DeLaguardia, speaking to president Bartlet in the seventh season of The West Wing.
• Jittery Zeitgeist wither by the watering hole. - Aesop Rock from his track None Shall Pass on his recently released album, None Shall Pass.

Hidden from awareness is interesting terminology, Melanie. I agree, but I'm sure Drifter wouldn't due to absolute awareness.

I don't know about the substance though, if there can be a substance that is not substantiated by the subconscious parameters that trick the mind into believing there are differentiable substances. If all is the same substance, what is being felt and by whom?

[N0B0DY]

So the ONE that IS, isn't none.



I cryptically won it back now.

[Drifter]

Clearly, Until the the ever illusory and ever seperate sense of a finite "I", that can get or not get any thing, is finally let go of, detached from, [ annihilated ] 'Darkness' will "cryptically" prevail.

[@ the risk of sounding anal-retentive: Two "objects" -like an Original and a Copy- cannot occupy the same space at the same time.]

Namaste` Brother

So the ONE that IS, isn't none. I cryptically won it back now.

[N0B0DY]

Amen, brother Drifter....and how dark is that brightness, that is so bright that it's dark.

[N0B0DY]

"Two "objects" -like an Original and a Copy- cannot occupy the same space at the same time."

This only applies to fermions, but not to light; and when we realize that fermions consist of light, perhaps there is no other point than zero.

[Drifter]

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Amen, brother Drifter....and how dark is that brightness, that is so bright that it's dark.

[N0B0DY]

Awesome!

[melanie]

Awesome!

SEE how this image is apparently changing it's appearance, there is an appearance of changing colors and apparent movement,
and yet nothing is actually moving or changing, all is always whole and complete.

Nondual Realization.

It should be pointed out that technically, there can be no such thing as a nondual perspective or theory or experience, only a realization of Oneness or nonduality. One cannot accurately claim to experience nonduality, because the concept of experience depends on the subject-object distinction, which is a duality. The subject experiences an object, which is something separate from the subject. This is incompatible with a truly nondual realization. Thus, technically, there cannot truly be an accurate verbal account of this union, only words that insufficiently point to the realization.

melanie.