[N0B0DY]

Could you go on a bit more, Dip? Are you saying that without incremental time there is no time?

If so, that'll work for me.

[dipayankar]

Hi Nobody. It all depends on whether spatial dimensions can be quantised. If yes, then time can be taken as an extension of those dimensions and quantised as well..

Originally Posted by N0B0DY

Could you go on a bit more, Dip? Are you saying that without incremental time there is no time?

If so, that'll work for me.

[Fluent Piffle]

How do you propose one can ascertain the existence of "everywhere" other than through a deductive means? Any other means would inevitably lead to a non sequitur if we adhere to the restrictions of the scientific method you've advocated.

I don't disagree with this, however, is not ALL 'ascertainment' also 'deduction' of one kind or another? I do not 'advocate' only the 'restrictions of scientific method'. I find all 'methods' are 'methods' of deduction, or 'ascertainment', if you like. The only stipulation is that whatever they are, they must correlate with whatever is necessarily True concerning the objective of existence.
For you to state that there is 'no motion' is plainly an absurdity. - An ego-bound mind might take this as meaning that I think the 'messenger' is absurd, where the intention is to point out the absurdity of the message itself.

I understand where you're at with this, pif, as are most others, but I don't follow anybody or anything but the non-existent way of no way; then relative events take care of themselves in their own ways.

You ARE a 'relative event', Nob. And you ARE 'taking care of your own theory'. That is not the issue for me. When we are discussing an objective issue (existence), we must endeavour to stick to this 'issue', otherwise we will cloud the whole thing with our own subjectiveness. When you state that, 'I don't follow anybody or anything but the non-existent way of no way', you shut yourself off from the objective, which is the issue at hand, for me.

My claim of the impossibility of absolute motion requires no empirical verification, because from the beginning I've proclaimed extending inverse relationships to the absolute level beyond the scope of empirical, theoretical and philosophical science.

One of the reasons why I like the WSM theory so much is that it does do exactly the things you claim are 'impossible'. This does not mean that I am a 'follower' of WSM, only that I see it working. I have very little input into it myself, except that it enables me to think in the open ways to which I am accustomed, and it is the only 'theory' I have found that allows this. Believe me, if your theory made more sense, I would be endorsing it as eagerly!

- Humans are quite desperate for something Real to chase, and the less in touch with Reality they become, so the more effort they will have to make to find the Real. We do not have enough time for any more illusion.



pif.

[Drifter]

I knew you would see things my way eventually.
Doesn't it feel liberating to be free from that restrictive Ego finally?
It is so childish isn't it 'piffle'?
The kettle calling the skillet black and all, seriously.
An untrained animal isn't worth having.
If a mad dog gets shot in public there will be controversy.
What you denegradingly call my 'friends' is the collective conscious consensus of all your fears and insecurities.
You have to be a good 'friend' to get a good friend, noone ever told you that?
As well, your faux compassion shows how 'true' you really are.
I know you can't help yourself, it's obviously your true-nature.
You wouldn't know truth if it bit you in the backside, also obvious in your posts.
oh, and by the way, I don't turn the other cheek.
Here's some useful advice, that will probably fall on deaf ears.
Try writing a post without 'I', 'Me', 'Us', 'You', 'They', or 'Them' in it.
Can you be egoless and non-condescending at the same time?
Can you be humble without denegrading anyone?

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Yeah, drift on, 'friend'.

If it's 'about the message and not the messenger', why are you still trying to goad me into your own personally distinct nastiness by calling me 'obstinate'? I can't affect 'you', because you only post other people's words. Therefore it is all just another ego-reaction from you. This makes for quite a profound realisation of your mind-state. You spout childish names such as 'shorty' and 'arsehole'....why? You seriously think I will react to that in any kind of serious way....why? ...because that is how YOU think, isn't it? The slightest scratch to your veneer, and all this inner violence comes pouring out!!

Don't worry, I know you have 'friends' here. This is the only explanation for why you are still allowed to post, after such aggressiveness and abuse, and that you feel secure enough to post your violence in the first place, safe in the knowledge that you have 'friends' to back you up, eh?

So, please do not take this personally, as it is intended as a message of hope, passed on from one poor, humble messenger, for the purpose of helping a poor stranded soul/brother out of his internally violent predicament.. because, as you yourself have just written, it is about the message, and not the messenger. Go for the ball and not the player, Drifter.








No, Nob. There is motion. You don't want to 'worry about waves' because it upsets your 'theory'.





There are 'subjective' points, which are what we refer to when we posit a 'there', but there is also the objective 'everywhere', which is more Cosmologically correct, when we are attempting to describe the necessarily Infinite Space. You are still confusing yourself by trying to merge two views into one, instead of accepting that they are two aspects of the same thing. There is a subtle difference. One possible route for you might be to try to connect with your inner female side...



pif.

[Fluent Piffle]

Ball, not the player, Drifter...Ball not the player...Keep it as a 'mantra', and you won't go far wrong.



pif.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

Ball, not the player, Drifter...Ball not the player...Keep it as a 'mantra', and you won't go far wrong.
pif.

"Yeah, drift on, 'friend'.

If it's 'about the message and not the messenger', why are you still trying to goad me into your own personally distinct nastiness by calling me 'obstinate'? I can't affect 'you', because you only post other people's words. Therefore it is all just another ego-reaction from you. This makes for quite a profound realisation of your mind-state. You spout childish names such as 'shorty' and 'arsehole'....why? You seriously think I will react to that in any kind of serious way....why? ...because that is how YOU think, isn't it? The slightest scratch to your veneer, and all this inner violence comes pouring out!!

Don't worry, I know you have 'friends' here. This is the only explanation for why you are still allowed to post, after such aggressiveness and abuse, and that you feel secure enough to post your violence in the first place, safe in the knowledge that you have 'friends' to back you up, eh?

So, please do not take this personally, as it is intended as a message of hope, passed on from one poor, humble messenger, for the purpose of helping a poor stranded soul/brother out of his internally violent predicament.. because, as you yourself have just written, it is about the message, and not the messenger. Go for the ball and not the player, Drifter."

[Fluent Piffle]

Sorry, the fish are not biting today, friend.

Ball, not the player....Ball, not the player...Om...Cat Shit Ananda...Om...


pif.

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by dipayankar

Hi Nobody. It all depends on whether spatial dimensions can be quantised. If yes, then time can be taken as an extension of those dimensions and quantised as well..

Dip,

I see what you mean now, and I think that by realizing scalars are arbitrary, scales cease to remain prevalent. To the tune that, say, planck length and planck time is identical to infinity and eternity.

What I do like about QM, though, that may be relevant to the topic is the quantum leap. I think it was Bob Campbell from this forum who gives a great explanation of such a phenomenon, and of course I adhere to it because space and time altogether cease in such instances. From this it is possible to merge Newton's and Einstein's concepts of spacetime and do away with concepts of particulate matter and warpable spacetime, which is the only way imo to merge GR and QM.

[N0B0DY]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle

You ARE a 'relative event', Nob. And you ARE 'taking care of your own theory'. That is not the issue for me. When we are discussing an objective issue (existence), we must endeavour to stick to this 'issue', otherwise we will cloud the whole thing with our own subjectiveness. When you state that, 'I don't follow anybody or anything but the non-existent way of no way', you shut yourself off from the objective, which is the issue at hand, for me.

pif.

I suggest that you start your own thread to express your issues or express them in a thread that is more suitable to your taste, pif. This thread is based on my own personal experiences and studies, and is here for those who wish to take a few things from it, as I do with others. I am the first to admit that it is not a normal theory, but a statement declaring there can be no literal absolutes; and no existence of nothingness relative to things, as is the case with motion.

I spent almost three years at the spaceandmotion site, and there isn't/wasn't any mention of where the out waves come from. So I emailed Mr. Haselhurst and aksed him to explain it to me, and he responded that the out waves from other universes create the in waves of this universe. Needless to say I wasn't satisfied with that response because it didn't answer my question, and the reason imo is due to what you dislike about this thread. That the absolute state is broken into zero-dimensional centers which serve as the basis for dimensional extensions.

When I claim that motion is impossible and the universe, or cosmos, doesn't exist, it doesn't mean that things aren't moving about in apparent motion to observers, but that the universe as a whole cannot be like an earthly observer with eyes and a brain, and therefore things and motion, time and space can't exist from what would be that absolute perspective. Without any verification required, it is as easy to infer such an absolute as it is to infer with verification a relative instance of the impossiblity of doing a headstand in outer space - which way would you turn? No matter which way you would position yourself, you would and wouldn't be doing a headstand. And I agree that such a case is absurd, but as counter-intuitive as it may seem, it is nevertheless the absolute state of relative frameworks not existing at all. You would only be able to do a headstand relative to a point of reference.

As for all being ascertained through a deductive means, if we really think this one through, pif, it should be fairly easy to see why I infer sensory reality is an illusory abstraction.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by [B

Quote[/b] Fluent Piffle;46394]
Sorry, the fish are not biting today, friend.
Ball, not the player....Ball, not the player...Om...Cat Shit Ananda...Om...
pif.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle
Ball, not the player, Drifter...Ball not the player...Keep it as a 'mantra', and you won't go far wrong.
pif.
"Yeah, drift on, 'friend'.
If it's 'about the message and not the messenger', why are you still trying to goad me into your own personally distinct nastiness by calling me 'obstinate'? I can't affect 'you', because you only post other people's words. Therefore it is all just another ego-reaction from you. This makes for quite a profound realisation of your mind-state. You spout childish names such as 'shorty' and 'arsehole'....why? You seriously think I will react to that in any kind of serious way....why? ...because that is how YOU think, isn't it? The slightest scratch to your veneer, and all this inner violence comes pouring out!!
Don't worry, I know you have 'friends' here. This is the only explanation for why you are still allowed to post, after such aggressiveness and abuse, and that you feel secure enough to post your violence in the first place, safe in the knowledge that you have 'friends' to back you up, eh?
So, please do not take this personally, as it is intended as a message of hope, passed on from one poor, humble messenger, for the purpose of helping a poor stranded soul/brother out of his internally violent predicament.. because, as you yourself have just written, it is about the message, and not the messenger. Go for the ball and not the player, Drifter.