I am saying that the 'seemingly absurd' is not Cosmologically absurd. I have been discussing the Cosmology, and trying to understand why we are seeing it as 'absurd', when that may just be 'normal', in Cosmological terms. Do you not see how this juxtaposition is relevant to the in/out wave scenario? - Two superficially 'absurd' 'opposites', actually being aspects of the same one thing?
Yes, I see what you mean, pif, and I responded that both our propositions are only seemingly absurd.
Cosmologically-speaking and -seeking, my proposition of motionlessness is the seemingly-absurd result of two superficial opposites being (abstract) aspects of the same "thing."
No hatchets on this end btw, but many expressions. We're all friends if we choose to be.
The shark likes to strike his prey from nowhere.
More inuendos and going for the player. You sir are a FOOL, albeit an Educated one.
[nearly all of your "half-million posts" are laced with this type poison]
Nobody has kindly ask you to leave and moderators have warned you repeatedly yet you persist to no end? <see above post ~n>
I shall report Drifter's last post also. It will be interesting to see the outcome, whether threats of violence are tolerated by the apparent 'powers'.
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The shark likes to strike his prey from nowhere.
It is my observation that people can only truly speak from self-experience...
pif.
__________________ People look after the things they have affection for. It is thus essential that we learn to have affection for the planet that sustains us.
"The sense of threat from every quarter of what is known as the Establishment – which is to say, of modern civilization – is not altogether a put-on or an act for many of these young folk, but an actual condition of soul. The break-off is real, and what is being bombed and blown up outside are actual symbols of interior fears." - Joseph Campbell
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Yes, I see what you mean, pif, and I responded that both our propositions are only seemingly absurd.
Cosmologically-speaking and -seeking, my proposition of motionlessness is the seemingly-absurd result of two superficial opposites being (abstract) aspects of the same "thing."
No hatchets on this end btw, but many expressions. We're all friends if we choose to be.
I agree! And it seems we are not so far apart after all, regarding the Cosmological.
pif.
__________________ People look after the things they have affection for. It is thus essential that we learn to have affection for the planet that sustains us.
"The sense of threat from every quarter of what is known as the Establishment – which is to say, of modern civilization – is not altogether a put-on or an act for many of these young folk, but an actual condition of soul. The break-off is real, and what is being bombed and blown up outside are actual symbols of interior fears." - Joseph Campbell
Indeed. You isolate yourself with posts like these and then want retribution when anyone tells you your obstinance is not fitting in?
Ego is your prefered state and unless you can be president you of the club you'll be an obstinant pain the insinuated whahootie.
Your ego has gotten too big, lol, for containment and this thread is it's new venue.
quote piffle: "The very problem that Lloyd and myself tried to point out to you about half-a-million pages ago!
Not to worry, if you have a hatchet to bury, I won't stand in your way.
Infinite finiteness, seems like an 'absurdity', but the more likely Reality is that it is US who are being 'Cosmologically absurd' by insisting on one 'preferred' state over the 'other'
Nob, if you have 'hatchets', by all means feel free to bury them! (With a bit of luck, you may even be able to teach your 'friends' how to do the same!)"
In Truth, a spiteful ego feels bruised, and now wants retribution.
Truth is, your full of resentments.
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Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle
I shall report Drifter's last post also. It will be interesting to see the outcome.
it's about returning to the roots .. only here does truth reside ...
all striving and searching is a vain attempt to find NOTHING .... all is vanity .....
you end up back where you started every time a coconut ....
think about it ... nothing changes ...... does anybody realize this ??
All is conceived no-thing is ever changed. .... KRISHNA said none of this has ever happened .. also apparently it has .....
here below are some words i find interesting ... not sure who wrote them but does it matter in the grand scheme of things .....
i mean there is only ONE of us here you know.
i hope you all find time to read it carefully.
SILENT KNOWLEDGE
Ancient man knew, in the most direct fashion, what to do and how best to do it. But, because he performed so well, he started to develop a sense of selfness, which gave him the feeling that he could predict and plan the actions he was used to performing. And thus the idea of an individual "self" appeared; an individual self which began to dictate the nature and scope of man's actions. As the feeling of the individual self became stronger, man lost his natural connection to silent knowledge. Modern man, being heir to that development, therefore finds himself so hopelessly removed from the source of everything that all he can do is express his despair in violent and cynical acts of self-destruction. The reason for man's cynicism and despair is the bit of silent knowledge left in him, which does two things: one, it gives man an inkling of his ancient connection to the source of everything; and two, it makes man feel that without this connection, he has no hope of peace, of satisfaction, of attainment.
Our difficulty with this simple progression is that most of us are unwilling to accept that we need so little to get on with. We are geared to expect instruction, teaching, guides, masters. And when we are told that we need no one, we don't believe it. We become nervous, then distrustful, and finally angry and disappointed. If we need help, it is not in methods, but in emphasis. If someone makes us aware that we need to curtail our self-importance, that help is real.
Explanations are never wasted, because they are imprinted in us for immediate or later use or to help prepare our way to reaching silent knowledge.One of the most dramatic things about the human condition is the macabre connection between stupidity and self-reflection. It is stupidity that forces us to discard anything that does not conform with our self-reflective expectations.
Normal perception has an axis. "Here and there" are the perimeters of that axis, and we are partial to the clarity of "here." In normal perception, only "here" is perceived completely, instantaneously, and directly. Its twin referent, "there," lacks immediacy. It is inferred, deduced, expected, even assumed, but it is not apprehended directly with all the senses. When we perceive two places at once, total clarity is lost, but the immediate perception of "there" is gained.
Self-importance is a monster that has three thousand heads. And one can face up to it and destroy it in any of three ways. The first way is to sever each head one at a time; the second is to reach that mysterious state of being called the place of no pity, which destroys self-importance by slowly starving it; and the third is to pay for the instantaneous annihilation of the three-thousand-headed monster with one's symbolic death.
Human awareness is like an immense haunted house. The awareness of everyday life is like being sealed in one room of that immense house for life. We enter the room through a magical opening: birth. And we exit through another such magical opening: death.close the door of self-reflection.
Be impeccable and you'll have the energy to reach the place of silent knowledge.
Right and then lets apply gravity to such a situation and see how it behaves. Probably that too can be quantised..
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I like the way you think, Dip. I would also equate the quantum zone with newtonian spacetime, which would imply that there are no intervals between leaps. In this way we can come closer to merging both spacetimes because the quantum zones naturally contain much more energy than the concentric systems.
Please can we all stop bickering. There really is no need for comments that are directed at putting down, or insulting other members of the forum. This is the only thread in the forum for which I get a post report every couple of days, and thus it seems time to wade in in a final attempt to put an end to the arguments; else I see no other solution but to close the thread.
To be honest, I don't know who started the insults, but we're all adults here so I urge you all, whether you feel hard done by or not, to bury the proverbial hatchet, and stop the bickering.
Please note that I don't like making these sorts of posts. I would much rather everyone got on, and contributed to the positive feeling of the community we have here, thus leaving me time to do the same! I recall my grandmother had a phrase "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." Let's all try and abide by that in this thread, and ensure that the forums remain a place that everyone, whether they be regular members or new members, visits to have an enjoyable time.
If anyone has any further problems or comments about anything I've said, then please feel free to send me a PM.
Thanks for reading this,
__________________ ~neutralino
If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been much of a day - John A. Wheeler.
Why do the words of a Mystic or a Sage so often arouse such severe antagonism? Take, for instance poems like the "Leaves of Grass" by Walt Whitman. They have aroused storms of criticism as well as enthusiastic admiration. Yet, on the other hand, readers of all sorts generally are not trouble by the weird meanderings of the written words of an insane mind. This reveals the fact that it is not simply the unconventionality of the form that stirs the antagonism. Now these storms of criticism are really tributes. They indicate, at least, an unconscious recognition of Power in the words of the Mystic or Sage. The complacency of the forces of Mara - to employ a Buddhist term - has been struck a vital blow, and this arouses resistance. But in all such engagements, Mara is doomed to defeat, for the power that has burst forth is united with the inexhaustible Fount. The only effective defense for Mara would be complete indifference. For if Mara causes any man to fight the Light, that man, sooner or later, is conquered by the Light and then becomes One with It. St Paul affords us the classic example. He fought earnestly and sincerely so that quickly the Light conquered him and claimed him for Its own. From the standpoint of Mara there is nothing more dangerous than an effort to slay a Sage or a Mystic. The latter, in Their real Natures are invulnerable and, in the end, win to themselves their would be slayers. FMW
Thanks Mel, Love ya
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Originally Posted by melanie
When you get right down to it ...
it's about returning to the roots .. only here does truth reside ...
all striving and searching is a vain attempt to find NOTHING .... all is vanity .....
you end up back where you started every time a coconut ....
think about it ... nothing changes ...... does anybody realize this ??
All is conceived no-thing is ever changed. .... KRISHNA said none of this has ever happened .. also apparently it has .....
here below are some words i find interesting ... not sure who wrote them but does it matter in the grand scheme of things .....
i mean there is only ONE of us here you know.
i hope you all find time to read it carefully.
SILENT KNOWLEDGE
Ancient man knew, in the most direct fashion, what to do and how best to do it. But, because he performed so well, he started to develop a sense of selfness, which gave him the feeling that he could predict and plan the actions he was used to performing. And thus the idea of an individual "self" appeared; an individual self which began to dictate the nature and scope of man's actions. As the feeling of the individual self became stronger, man lost his natural connection to silent knowledge. Modern man, being heir to that development, therefore finds himself so hopelessly removed from the source of everything that all he can do is express his despair in violent and cynical acts of self-destruction. The reason for man's cynicism and despair is the bit of silent knowledge left in him, which does two things: one, it gives man an inkling of his ancient connection to the source of everything; and two, it makes man feel that without this connection, he has no hope of peace, of satisfaction, of attainment.
Our difficulty with this simple progression is that most of us are unwilling to accept that we need so little to get on with. We are geared to expect instruction, teaching, guides, masters. And when we are told that we need no one, we don't believe it. We become nervous, then distrustful, and finally angry and disappointed. If we need help, it is not in methods, but in emphasis. If someone makes us aware that we need to curtail our self-importance, that help is real. Explanations are never wasted, because they are imprinted in us for immediate or later use or to help prepare our way to reaching silent knowledge.One of the most dramatic things about the human condition is the macabre connection between stupidity and self-reflection. It is stupidity that forces us to discard anything that does not conform with our self-reflective expectations.
Normal perception has an axis. "Here and there" are the perimeters of that axis, and we are partial to the clarity of "here." In normal perception, only "here" is perceived completely, instantaneously, and directly. Its twin referent, "there," lacks immediacy. It is inferred, deduced, expected, even assumed, but it is not apprehended directly with all the senses. When we perceive two places at once, total clarity is lost, but the immediate perception of "there" is gained.
Self-importance is a monster that has three thousand heads. And one can face up to it and destroy it in any of three ways. The first way is to sever each head one at a time; the second is to reach that mysterious state of being called the place of no pity, which destroys self-importance by slowly starving it; and the third is to pay for the instantaneous annihilation of the three-thousand-headed monster with one's symbolic death.
Human awareness is like an immense haunted house. The awareness of everyday life is like being sealed in one room of that immense house for life. We enter the room through a magical opening: birth. And we exit through another such magical opening: death.close the door of self-reflection.
Be impeccable and you'll have the energy to reach the place of silent knowledge.
Rumi - Guest House This being human is a guest house
Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they are a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond. Thanks Neutralino, Love ya
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Dear All,
Please can we all stop bickering. There really is no need for comments that are directed at putting down, or insulting other members of the forum. This is the only thread in the forum for which I get a post report every couple of days, and thus it seems time to wade in in a final attempt to put an end to the arguments; else I see no other solution but to close the thread.
To be honest, I don't know who started the insults, but we're all adults here so I urge you all, whether you feel hard done by or not, to bury the proverbial hatchet, and stop the bickering.
Please note that I don't like making these sorts of posts. I would much rather everyone got on, and contributed to the positive feeling of the community we have here, thus leaving me time to do the same! I recall my grandmother had a phrase "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." Let's all try and abide by that in this thread, and ensure that the forums remain a place that everyone, whether they be regular members or new members, visits to have an enjoyable time.
If anyone has any further problems or comments about anything I've said, then please feel free to send me a PM.
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