[lodestar]

thank you for the well articulated reply Lloyd, some of which I understood. I think our confusion arises from the fact that you think I'm talking about infinity. I am not talking about infinity. I am talking about the value of everything itself, which is greater than infinity. The value of everything itself is a number, so great that it is like both positive and negative infinity combined. So I'm not talking about infinity, I'm talking about the value of ALL, which is MORE than infinite, it is absolute, the fusion of positive and negative infinity. Look at the number circle and you will understand.
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y9...everything.jpg

If the wikipedia article states that 0 has a positive value then they are wrong. Wikipedia is often wrong. The definition of 0/1 is that it has NO VALUE. So how can something that has no value have a positive value at all????? The definition of 1/0 on the other hand is that it has ABSOLUTE VALUE, i.e. both positive and negative. So 1/0 is just the opposite of 0/1. Isn't that quite obvious? That's the point I'm making.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by lodestar

thank you for the well articulated reply Lloyd, some of which I understood. I think our confusion arises from the fact that you think I'm talking about infinity. I am not talking about infinity. I am talking about the value of everything itself, which is greater than infinity. The value of everything itself is a number, so great that it is like both positive and negative infinity combined. So I'm not talking about infinity, I'm talking about the value of ALL, which is MORE than infinite, it is absolute, the fusion of positive and negative infinity. Look at the number circle and you will understand.
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/y9...everything.jpg

If the wikipedia article states that 0 has a positive value then they are wrong. Wikipedia is often wrong. The definition of 0/1 is that it has NO VALUE. So how can something that has no value have a positive value at all????? The definition of 1/0 on the other hand is that it has ABSOLUTE VALUE, i.e. both positive and negative. So 1/0 is just the opposite of 0/1. Isn't that quite obvious? That's the point I'm making.

Hey Lode, wake up___infinity is everything beyond all your simple thoughts, far beyond any numbers you could ever dream up... Infinity is the set of all infinities, eternally___way, way beyond your mere understanding... Please, a little science, once in a while...

[Nobody]

I agree with Lloyd that zero is positive, but I don't think he knows why. Otherwise I'm sure he would agree with me that zero is the only absolute that represents the absolute value (really relative to be honest) of any number.

Again, like I said to Lode three times, the absolute point of any value (because it is both positive and negative and a part of infinity) is also equal to zero. Like the "absolute value" of one, two, or three, is also zero. Each and every absolute point of any measurement is non-dimensional, like a simple line that is an inch long, and if each point of that doesn't exist, what can we say about the reality of the existence of that measurement? It's an illusion.

The greatest of all numbers, beyond infinity, is zero. What is greater than infinity? Nothing is greater. What is lesser than the infinitesimal? Nothing is lesser. Hence, there is no such thing as "one" and no other absolute point other than zero.

[lodestar]

It's simple; 1/0 is slightly greater than and slightly less than - in the exact same way that 0/1 is slightly less
than 1/ and slightly greater than -1/

that means that 1/0 is everything and 0/1 is nothing. What an incredibly symmetrical, simple, and ingenious paradigm!

all you have to do is think about it and/or look at the diagram

[Eric]

There are three nothings.

1. Absolute nothing
2. Relatively absolute "no-thing"
3. Relatively nothing

I can further specify, but only if there's any real interest.

Eric

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Eric

There are three nothings.

1. Absolute nothing
2. Relatively absolute "no-thing"
3. Relatively nothing

I can further specify, but only if there's any real interest.

Eric

Many thanks,and welcome Eric to toequest,I would be grateful to you if you could
expand on your brief explanation,thank you.

regards michael.

[Eric]

Hi Michael and thanks.

Great sig by the way.

1. Absolute nothing is when we refer to something coming from nothing. The age-old impossibility. However, absolute nothing can not exist. We just assume it can. If absolute nothing EXISTED, what would there be? There certainly wouldn't be absolutely nothing. Or in other words, if non-existence EXISTED, there wouldn't be non-existence. What does exist, is an a-prori absolute. This is either easily self-evident to some or not. If it isn't, it can drive one crazy thinking about it. It's an absolute 1 with no absolute 0.

2. Relatively absolute "no-thing" is the absence of everything. It is inside of a pre-existent everything. In other words, everything doesn't come from no-thing. In addition, everything is relatively absolute and not the absolute. It is within the absolute 1. Now we can enter the infinite universe, that doesn't reach either one of these relative absolutes. They are the border of an infinite universe.

3. Relatively nothing is partners with something relative. One doesn't ultimately contain the other. They intermingle infinitely inside and out of each other. One is the space we keep finding that isn't quite empty and the other is the mass that we keep finding isn't solid or real. One is the 0 and the other the 1, that we use in mathematics. Both are axiomatic assumptions that appear to be finite, just like space and mass, but are not. They blow up or collapse to infinity under non-apporximate scrutiny.

Eric

[mkirkpatrick]

Eric I thank you for such an excellent explanation,it makes sense out of nothing!
Please post more like this.

regards michael.

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[lodestar]

Hmmm, interesting explanation and welcome to TOE quest Eric.

By absolute 1 do you mean the one thing which is undivided throughout time and space?