[protheory]

Originally Posted by lodestar

Very interesting post protheory. The largest number is 1/0. It is the number everything. It is the inverse of 0, the number nothing. So 1/0 is the highest number and it is like positive AND negative infinity combined to form the absolute greatest value. SO when I say absolute greatest value I mean 1/0 is the highest number and it represents the most value, the value of everything, which is indeed priceless. So 1/0 is the highest number, the meaning of meaning, the price of pricelessness, the limit of limitlessness, the timelessness of time itself. So 1/0 is the largest number and that's why the theory of everything is really the theory of 1/0. 1/0 is totally synonymous with the words "everything" and "all" just like how 0 is totally synonymous with the words "nothing" and "none". 1/0 is the size of all reality and the extent of eternity. It is simple in a complex way.

Thanks Lodestar, I appreciate your comments and opinions as always

What I'm saying here is that I was imagining an amount that perhaps current mathematicians might suggest, some ultimate point at infinity with loads of zeros and things, perhaps akin to the amount of atoms in the known universe.

I'm just trying to explain Pro theory in terms that mathematicians might understand from their own point of view at the moment.

I suppose I was thinking about things like the Riemann Hypothesis and its study, that kind of extremely large number that current mathematics imagines, rather than an actual formula like yours.

I've been thinking along the lines of my previous post about numbers for a long time now, about how we're ultimately repeating ourselves.

It's a bit like me saying that along the same lines (Pro theory) if we invented the largest possible word (yes longer than that station name in Wales, UK ) that ultimately it would have one of three possible potentials, regardles of relative size.

The largest word would also be either positive, negative, or neutral in its potential.

Anyway, I've just gotten another reply from you in my e-mail box so I'll take a look at your picture in a second and get right back to you on it.

Kind regards as always.

Pro

[protheory]

Originally Posted by lodestar

here you go PRO, check out this diagram I made called the number circle. When you look at this you will understand the place that 1/0 occupies at the culmination of positive and negative infinities. ALso you will understand how space/time goes through an inversal or exversal everytime the arrow of time crosses over it's axis (this is what happened at the "big bang")

Thanks again Lodestar, I hope you don't mind me quoting the picture here, if you do mind I'll edit my post, no problem

I can now see what you mean actually, well I can literally see what you mean here, lol.

I really like the symmetry of your imagination on this picture, it reminds me a lot of my visualisation through the use of atomic structure as I originally thought of everything, nothing, and neutral.

I can see the two opposite sides, the neutral (middle) axis of time, and all the points in between too which helps me a great deal, after all a picture is worth a thousand words as they say.

On a purely intellectual (non-personal) point I must say that I'm not really into the idea of the big bang or the concept of time in perhaps the same way as it seems that you are here but that's another story I guess isn't it as I still try to imagine what might happen if there were no humans and therefore no pictures or diagrams in existence.

I can definitely see where you're coming from here though from a human view, it looks perfect as a diagram to me.

I don't really know what else to say right now but I'll think and think about it and get back to you when I've had a little more time to take it in.

Thanks very much for the positive input.

Pro

[lodestar]

yes, when you look at the diagram you will understand how 1/0 is the largest number that any mathematicians can ever find. They said it was undefined but they were WRONG! Because it is defined as both positive AND negative.

[protheory]

Originally Posted by lodestar

yes, when you look at the diagram you will understand how 1/0 is the largest number that any mathematicians can ever find. They said it was undefined but they were WRONG! Because it is defined as both positive AND negative.

I think I can see exactly what you mean by that as the largest number here but I'm finding it really difficult to put into the right words if you know what I mean

I think we're imagining numbers slightly differently to each other but also in kind of the same way too, which makes perfect sense to me as it implies more than one simultaneous occurence of potential.

Now that you've shown me your diagram do you see the symmetry I was trying to show with my picture of myself in Amsterdam, and the picture of the railroad tracks too?

It's all the same kind of pattern, from a human point of view it is anyway, it's all about symmetry isn't it

[lodestar]

No, no problem at all. Everybody needs to look at this diagram because it will replace the number line in textbooks in the future. Also, in the future we will define 1/0 as everything, not as undefined. 0 is the number that is undefined, not everything.

Well thank you a lot for the compliments. The big bang isn't that big of a deal when you consider that the big bang happens 1/0 amount of times. You see, the number circle shows you the cycle of the universe that repeats indefinitely. Everytime eternity is exhausted the universe reverses back to the beginning and the big bang happens all over again (this is the proccess of inversal and exversal). Each time the universe starts with the same image of the cosmic microwave background radiation, but it never turns out the exact same, because creatures like us have free will to make different choices. So this cycle happens over and over again until all the permutations of free will are exercised and every possible alternate version of our universe is realized. When I say our universe, I mean the sum-total of all alternate versions of our universe that start with the same initial cosmic background image and have the same speed of light.

Now why we have a certain initial cosmic background image to begin with is another story. I'll teach you about that later when I teach you about why we have a certain speed of light.

But you would be right to think that the bigbang never happened because in actuality all big bangs happen (1/0). So it just depends on how you define it, right? Either all or none (or neutral if you choose). So again, we come back to your theory which concerns the matter of definition and choice. Which form of 0/0 do we define as true, 0 or 1/0? Depending on your definition, the big bang either never happened or it happens all amount of times.

Originally Posted by protheory

Thanks again Lodestar, I hope you don't mind me quoting the picture here, if you do mind I'll edit my post, no problem

I can now see what you mean actually, well I can literally see what you mean here, lol.

I really like the symmetry of your imagination on this picture, it reminds me a lot of my visualisation through the use of atomic structure as I originally thought of everything, nothing, and neutral.

I can see the two opposite sides, the neutral (middle) axis of time, and all the points in between too which helps me a great deal, after all a picture is worth a thousand words as they say.

On a purely intellectual (non-personal) point I must say that I'm not really into the idea of the big bang or the concept of time in perhaps the same way as it seems that you are here but that's another story I guess isn't it as I still try to imagine what might happen if there were no humans and therefore no pictures or diagrams in existence.

I can definitely see where you're coming from here though from a human view, it looks perfect as a diagram to me.

I don't really know what else to say right now but I'll think and think about it and get back to you when I've had a little more time to take it in.

Thanks very much for the positive input.

Pro

Yes, I totally see what you were getting at with the picture of you in Amsterdam making the hand sign. It definitely exemplifies the same thing as the number circle. As I said my friend, you have found a true natural relationship which I would call symmetrical contradiction, or the irony of truth as I call it. In other words, the left is the exact same as the right but the exact opposite.

So yes, it's not just the symmetry, it's the consistent contradiction that symmetry exemplifies. But anyway, I thought that was the hand signal for vagina. ha ha ha j/k

Originally Posted by protheory

I think I can see exactly what you mean by that as the largest number here but I'm finding it really difficult to put into the right words if you know what I mean

I think we're imagining numbers slightly differently to each other but also in kind of the same way too, which makes perfect sense to me as it implies more than one simultaneous occurence of potential.

Now that you've shown me your diagram do you see the symmetry I was trying to show with my picture of myself in Amsterdam, and the picture of the railroad tracks too?

It's all the same kind of pattern, from a human point of view it is anyway, it's all about symmetry isn't it

[Nobody]

"Also, in the future we will define 1/0 as everything, not as undefined. 0 is the number that is undefined, not everything."

No, you will still be left as confused as you are now because everything is just as undefined as zero.

[lodestar]

Originally Posted by Nobody

"Also, in the future we will define 1/0 as everything, not as undefined. 0 is the number that is undefined, not everything."

No, you will still be left as confused as you are now because everything is just as undefined as zero.

I have no quarrell with you good sir. If you look around you and see you will notice that everything is defined, right before your eyes. For example, why can you see the screen in front of you? Because it has definition, that's why. SO for you to see it everything must have definition and thus everything must be quite literally defined. Nothing, on the other hand, is nowhere to be seen. It has no definition, and thus it is undefined. Therefore I repeat that 1/0 is defined and 0 is undefined. Otherwise you would not be able to see everything right in front of you. It's as complex and simple as that. Good luck friend.

[Nobody]

One is complex my good friend because you have to define exactly what that one thing is at all levels, and that cannot be done. Zero, on the other hand, is very simple. You can't have absolutely one thing, because you create a dichotomy paradox implying a non-existent exterior, but you can have absolute nothing, which is the net effect of the absolute universe.

You can't see everything in front of you, only what you see/observe, and that is not everything. Quantized reality works only one way through time, or another, but the absolute state is the non-dimensional point of non existence between flows of time; and the sum of both flows, which is zero also.

Only zero works, even its shape suggests it! Whereas one cannot work because there is no such thing as only one thing.

[lodestar]

Originally Posted by Nobody

One is complex my good friend because you have to define exactly what that one thing is at all levels, and that cannot be done. Zero, on the other hand, is very simple. You can't have absolutely one thing, because you create a dichotomy paradox implying a non-existent exterior, but you can have absolute nothing, which is the net effect of the absolute universe.

You can't see everything in front of you, only what you see/observe, and that is not everything. Quantized reality works only one way through time, or another, but the absolute state is the non-dimensional point of non existence between flows of time; and the sum of both flows, which is zero also.

Only zero works, even its shape suggests it! Whereas one cannot work because there is no such thing as only one thing.

Yes there is such a thing as one thing. It is called everything. It is not a relative 1 like your thinking of that can be positive or negative. It is both positive and negative because it is divided by nothing, so therefore it IS absolutely everything. And everything that you see and observe is part of this everything, and so therefore everything has definition. SO there is no point in arguing because everything is defined.

ANd I can define exactly what 1/0 is at all levels. 1/0 is everything at all levels. It's as simple and complex as that.

The sum total of the universe can't be zero because then nothing would exist and we can see before our eyes that everything exists and is defined. Think about it this way, if you put a south pole and a north pole together do you get a sum total that is nothing? No, you get something that is both north and south, which is a magnet. It's the same way with 1/0. You put positive and negative together and do you get nothing? No, you get everything. Nothing is the lack of positive and negative, not the combination of the two. Get it right.

Implying a non-existent exterior is fine because it doesn't exist. The simple matter of the fact is that everything contains everything because everything is everything. And that is all that exists my friend. Now please let us leave this argument because I don't want to make protheory mad for using his thread. We can debate it in your thread if you really still don't understand.

[protheory]

Originally Posted by lodestar

Now please let us leave this argument because I don't want to make protheory mad for using his thread. We can debate it in your thread if you really still don't understand.

I'm not mad atcha, I think it's interesting to see a debate about all this stuff you two are discussing here

In fact, I'd love to keep this discussion going in here as I'd like to join in myself.

I've got a few things to say on this topic but i'm just collecting my thoughts as I've so many replies to make across the board and I'm thinking about my site a lot lately.

Originally Posted by lodestar

Yes, I totally see what you were getting at with the picture of you in Amsterdam making the hand sign. It definitely exemplifies the same thing as the number circle. As I said my friend, you have found a true natural relationship which I would call symmetrical contradiction, or the irony of truth as I call it. In other words, the left is the exact same as the right but the exact opposite.

So yes, it's not just the symmetry, it's the consistent contradiction that symmetry exemplifies.

Great stuff lodestar, I'm glad you see the symmetry on the pic, it just felt right at the time from a human point of view.

I'll explain more later about how every joint on the body is two opposites and a joint in the middle creating a triangular shape, like on your fingers, arms, and toes, elbow, knee...

The unite sign is possible and powerful to me as a human because it uses the triangular finger joints to form two opposite sides of a triangle with a neutral point at the centre of the shape (aka my hand sign in the pic).

I think there's a very good reason that the triangle is considered to be the strongest shape in the world.