Toronic Concepts

[G_burnett]

i have decided that i do not like the lack of clarity of Max P and his steel ball on a spring compared to the Toronic pictorial expand given now .. hmmm kind regards graham

[labelwench]

i have decided that i do not like the lack of clarity of Max P and his steel ball on a spring compared to the Toronic pictorial expand given now .. hmmm kind regards graham

Granted that both theories are over my head........so what's Max P supposed to do about this? You 'calling him out'.......?

As an interested bystander on many of these threads, I find myself intrigued by the exchanges where none of the concepts seem 'provable'.

LOL, almost at the point where a single verifiable fact would look good, but as the definition of proof is also variable, think I'll just wander off now and enjoy the day. In my delusion, there is good food, fine wine, fast horses, and the sun is shining............Later..........

[G_burnett]

just one fact?

jezz your easy.

lol later aligator, enjoy your ride ..sage

[G_burnett]

i must further go on to say the exclusion principal falls in the Toronic orbital jet stream potential up on the the atomic structure .. that gets rid of a lot of math ... not to mention alignment for fusion better considered as Pauli pictorial is little more then a top view. ... hmm I like this Toronic structure more and more ... kind regards graham

wow just had a really good after thought ...laser split then back off set by the amplitude to a perpindicular decay or add? ... both actualy .. idea.. coffee is strong tonight

[spacedout]

Why can't a quark or lepton be made of 8 torises around a cubic layout?

[spacedout]

Sorry I ment a toris on each side of a cube (6-sides) -- this would give the charges for quarks and leptons.

[G_burnett]

Granted that both theories are over my head........so what's Max P supposed to do about this? You 'calling him out'.......?...., and the sun is shining............Later..........

that is Max Planck i was referring to but as a Bahia it is wrong to mention the full name of a deceased sort of old habit i have less you call the person back from the experience after ??? hmm sorry, it makes citation hard lol.

I believe spacedout that the torus model having such spin in in the non linear but cyclic state has
all the positions covered as the model turns in it spin cyclic as well. think of the Yin Yang symbol turning as a globe or take a felt pen and put the s on accordingly to both sides of the ball and now turn the ball ... no axial but also having y-axial in energy flow in the tube. ... now give it alignment so there is a y-axis to the energy flow still and one in the alignment ... two different axial.

Get another ball. Change the Yin Yang S to a mirror image numeric two like .. the balls both will have two closed states and two open states ... It changes the Planck standard quanta pictorial standard. Why do this is another matter. ... I do of course support this change as i came up with it but there are many in this esteemed group who will have to make up thee own mind why it is a better view ... and of course i will be dead and buried before it ever gets recognized my best prediction lol. It is done for my own understanding and intuitive logic only a clarity i do not think is there saying the positron comes out of the future instead of being an advanced to substance state of flux on impact Boise Einstein vacuum chamber pic return to the impact point.. or for that matter the wiggles of our Bongo friend in the positron electron dance ... or the thought the positron is always the opposite of the electron .. as the standard ... it needs this quadrant determination and y-axis for clarity as clarity to me is there and potential for others to i hope in the promotion or we are stuck in the mire of dreams an thought experiments of what ifs.

proof is in the pudding but i say in the cake ... geometric reality is one of it own dimension an flow .. IMHO ,~kind regards graham, ... i will add my apology to you Dave for such presumption on my part that may have been said ..

[Graybeard]

This thread is for the discussion of the “Toronic” theory. It is presented in the Blog forum and is based on 4 fundamental axioms that define fundamental matter and its attributes of bonding and Absolute Motion.

So what is nature’s big illusion of smoke and mirrors? Other than volume and self-affinity, Absolute Motion (Va) is the only other property of matter. It is a fixed quantity that defines the sum quantity of all motion types of a physical system or structure of matter. This motion consists of "Random Motion (Vr)” and “Uniform Motion (Vu)". Linear velocity and spin velocity are types of uniform motion whereas chaotic wave vibration interference is the random motion component and the nature of matter that is illusive to our senses and to our instrumentation. We have come to know this state of matter as a vacuum, space, or spacetime.

When we establish the product of uniform motion and the mass value of a body or object, we define the results as "Momentum". Since we do not have a means to detect Random Motion of matter to any degree of accuracy, we are unable to measure a mass value for quantities of matter in this state of randomized motion. There have been many attempts to define matter with only this form of motion; Vacuum energy, dark energy, and zero point energy are just a few of the more popular concepts.

The motion quantity of any system equates to "Absolute motion".

Va = (Vr + Vu)

One scenario is that matter was concentrated in units of enormous quantities. These units may have been whizzing through the cosmos with absolute linear motion (2x10^20 m/s) in all different directions. By some remote chance, two of these units where on a collision course ordained to create a remarkable existence from this single substance.

Va = Vu and Vr equals zero

Hi Dave ...... If the Fundamental Substance was in the state of Va = Vu then the FS would be in a state of Symmetry ?

Since we do not have a means to detect Random Motion of matter to any degree of accuracy, we are unable to measure a mass value for quantities of matter in this state of randomized motion. There have been many attempts to define matter with only this form of motion; Vacuum energy, dark energy, and zero point energy are just a few of the more popular concepts.

Va = Vr and Vu equals zero.

If the Fundamental Substance was in the state of Va = Vr then the FS would also be in a state of Symmetry ?

In either of these scenarios then it could be said that Va displayed total symmetry prior to the initiating event ? Do you agree ?

cool bananas ... greg

[Graybeard]

Change the Yin Yang S to a mirror image numeric two like .. the balls both will have two closed states and two open states ... It changes the Planck standard quanta pictorial standard. Why do this is another matter. ... I do of course support this change as i came up with it but there are many in this esteemed group who will have to make up thee own mind why it is a better view ... and of course i will be dead and buried before it ever gets recognized my best prediction lol.

Hi Graham ....... two closed states and two open states. Could you expand a bit on this. Are you referring to states of matter ?

cool bananas ... greg

[G_burnett]

hi greg
glad you got here
i have rereading the thread to some enlightenment just to see if it was i who was bogging perhaps out of concept here to your post one of Dave above .. hope i did not get to far out, i am still looking at virtual particle define and arguments or augments.
The Toronic structure in the geometric reality and please this is the geometric reality i speak in demanded the addition of a y-axis for clarity in my conception of one state of charge negative or positive as this observable state of exist fails in absolute motion state of one ... thus we have two pseudo states possible with the determination of clear absolute motion states measurable as as absolute positive and negative quadrants.

these two created states are often mixed up with the absolute states and please this is in the thought as a quanta moment. the absolute do not last very long and transfer energy on the EM radiation everywhere and in all direction to a wink out of existence perspective and a wink into measure from that state of transfer ... mechanically due to varied cause. (MY RULE ONE PARTICLE STREAM INTERACTION TO PERPENDICULAR CHANGE OF DIRECTION, FORWARD MOTION CURTAILED BY RIGHT OR LEFT HANDED RULE TO SPIN DECAY ...)

Acceleration is because IMHO the transfer of direction to the absolute state ... condense collapse of the y-axis and expand of the x plane measure.

the skater that spins faster by bringing her hands and arms in close to the side of the body ...

the two pseudo states are with forward motion given to the state of the torus with varied results based on the causal of forward motion positive or negative sine or cosine wave factors .. even heat considerations and mass density ..ok just ... different then the cyclic motion. (that is still taking place)(that still gives it pulse singular emit and opposite polar state pulse transfer to the variant [x,y] set with right or left spinier function causal

have i lost you yet?

graham, kind regards