Toronic Concepts

[dleviwing]

Hi Tim;
First of all it is not the density of the medium that affects the motion but the motion of the medium that affects its density. Remember that uniform motion allows the bonding property of the fundamental matter to increase. The Aether state is randomized vibrations that prevent the substance from achieving maximum bonding; the spatial density is too thin to produce sufficient quantities of localize matter with constructive interference to produce particles. I think BHs and stars are doing this at their cores due to their high spatial density. Hawking’s theory of evaporation of BH may be the process of releasing fundamental quantum particles out their axial jets that eventually form normal matter as we know it. The BH may also be adding to the spatial density of space itself but not enough to keep up with expansion.

[analog]

Ok Dave,

I like where we're headed, but you'll have to be patient with me. The medium I refer to is the surrounding aether (spatial density) which is on the outside of a structured form of matter once it has acheived angular momentum.

So here's my question then, if the increased spatial density at the core of a black hole allowed for the manifestation of a fundamental quantum particle, (structured matter, which I would assume would be the minimum amount of aether which could maintain angular momentum) once it is released out of the axial jet, whereby it now finds itself within a medium of decreased spatial density within the outskirts of a galaxy, would its angular momentum not be affected in some way, as if it were decreasing angular momentum and decaying back to unstructured aether?

If it took the increase in spatial density to allow it to form, doesn't that allow any change in spatial density within a medium, which contains it, to affect it once it has aquired the needed angular momentum to become structured matter?

Perhaps the increase in linear velocity, now that it's traveling further from the center of a galaxy as it swirls, would have to also play a part?

[dleviwing]

Hi Tim;
Your analogy is good. The mathematics that Hawking proposed indicate he visualized an assortment of particles at different energy states; this would translate to different distributions of absolute motion for different quantum units of matter; some may evolve to form basic particles whereas others may not have enough uniform motion and thus disintegrate to Aether interference patterns. Any quantum unit that loses all its angular momentum will convert and become part of the Aether vibrations. We would probably detect this as some pulse of EM radiation produced by the conversion.

[analog]

Hello Dave,


I have some ideas I’d like to share with you. I think I have a concept you may be interested in; if you haven't already thought of it.
It just adds to your current model.

If absolute zero is one degree of freedom whereby the maximum linear velocity is maintained, and before the initial collision, the fundamental substance was at this one degree of freedom whereby it had total uniform linear motion; thus it was at its most condensed state perpendicular to its direction of travel (universal direction). We could view the direction of travel as the arrow of time. Being as any random motion causes the fundamental substance to spread perpendicular to its universal direction of travel as it loses linear velocity; after the collision the aether has been spreading ever since; thus the more it spreads the less forward linear velocity of the whole proportionally in the universal direction of travel.

Therefore, if we view the linear universal direction of the whole as being perpendicular to the center of galaxies, the so called black hole could just be the point nearest absolute zero; whereby random motion was continually being transferred back to uniform linear motion and stretching that part of the aether more linearly forward towards the universal direction due to its increased linear velocity. The conical shape produced would funnel back out to the outskirts of the galaxy and the stars and planets would be formed and viewed as stages of the process of random motions continually becoming uniform. As they increase towards full linear velocity (one degree of freedom) they too are continually out linearly accelerating the more randomly moving surrounding space as they swirl around the axis of the black hole.

This would agree that black holes are at the center of galaxies; light couldn’t escape because this is the point where all motion becomes linearly uniform; and all of the galactic bodies were swirls of fundamental substance forming and becoming more and more uniform through the process of vibration and angular momentum until they got to the appropriate distance and fully converted to uniform linear absolute motion in the universal direction. An entire galaxy would look like a cone as it narrowed towards the center of the black hole.

We’ve thus taken the formation of galaxies and viewed them as the process observed as random chaotic motion converts back to full uniform absolute motion and velocity. This would incorporate black holes and possibly explain their predicted phenomenon, tell us why they point the direction they do; tell us the direction of travel of the universal aether; and it would provide us with a flow chart to work from. It would also give us the shape of space within a galaxy and the temperature scale would be viewed as degrees of freedom from the absolute point within the black hole all the way out to the unstructured randomly moving surrounding space; not to mention explaining planetary orbits and the swirling of galaxies. The proximities of galactic bodies should then have to fall out somewhere along the temperature/motion scale formed, depending on the current state of the fundamental motion that made them up.

The new absolute motion direction formed from different galaxies could also be slightly different than the original universal direction (meaning different galaxies could be pointing slightly different directions/angles from each other) due to all areas of uniform motion being reformed from completely randomized motion. Perhaps, it wouldn't be until the recondensing of the aether got to a certain stage that brought all of those varying directions back to one universal direction; thus acheiving full absolute zero and linear velocity once again. Perhaps, this would suggest a more saddle shaped aether at present.

What do you think? It probably sounds retarded, but I liked it when I thought about it. It just seemed to make sense.

regards,

Tim

[analog]

Dave,

My intuition tells me that, from a randomized state of expansion (our current condition), a transformation to one degree uniform linear motion with absolute velocity, perhaps by means of a black hole as stated above, would produce a three dimensional plank diameter leading edge in the universal direction of travel, a singularity of sorts. Thus, it causes me to imagine the initial state of the fundamental substance, before the collision, to have been tubular with a three dimensional plank diameter and length proportional to the total amount of fundamental substance. If viewed from the side as if looking perpendicular to the arrow of time, future motions being in front, present being the current void occupied and past being the void just traveled through, the shape of the fundamental substance would resemble a symmetrical three dimensional solid rod with much more length than width; but if you were looking head on, the view would only resemble a three dimensional plank diameter dot; perhaps a singularity.

After the event which slowed the leading edge down, causing random chaotic motions throughout, the length has been steadily shortening as the diameter has been steadily increasing which would be the universal expansion; causing apparent "space" to be expanding from all points at the same time; and if viewed head on this would possibly resemble the big bang model from a singularity, but all of the fundamental substance was always there, it was just linearly shaped with a plank diameter, and all of the potential for expansion was merely hidden traveling behind the leading edge. We have no means of detecting the contributing volumes of aether causing the expansion, because it is in a state of absolute zero (one degree of freedom) linear velocity as it steadily collides into the now slowed and expanding leading edge. This would be equivalent to trying to detect the absolute linearly moving aether going back out of the black holes. Now, after the initial event, the aether is forming a puddle as if it were a continuous stream of water having been poured from a pitcher and hitting the ground to form a pool.

How would this reflect your interpretation of the math? Feel free to jump in and stop me before I hurt myself.

Regards,

Tim

[dleviwing]

Hi Tim;
Interesting analogy; it gives a sense of visual perception. In contrast, I asked myself similar questions when I was younger. Is the universe rotating? Does the universe still have linear velocity through the void? Did the fundamental substance originally have a volume? Throughout the years I’ve come to the conclusion that the answer is YES to all of these.

Any spherical rotating object will tend to align its axis parallel to the direction of motion and will depend on the velocity of the motion: The greater the velocity the more parallel the axis is to the motion; that’s why magnetic moments are perpendicular to the direction of travel of the particles. Plot the axis of as many galaxies as you can and you’ll see an interesting phenomena of both rotational and linear motion tendencies of all objects in our cosmos. I also estimated that the object that form our universe could not have had a diameter less than 50,000 kilometers. (not what I would call a Planck-length.)

[analog]

Hello Dave,

Below is an extremely crude animation of what I was referring to in my last two posts. It's nothing fancy, because I'm just learning how to build a gif animation. The black line represents the initial fundamental substance at its most condensed state traveling with absolute uniform linear velocity (absolute zero/one degree of freedom). The large expansion is the universe as the fundamental substance slows linearly and increases in random motion, and the smaller cones that appear later are the contracting representations of galaxies as the fundamental substance reaccelerates towards absolute uniform linear velocity.

I'm just trying to represent how forward acceleration of the fundamental substance might still be maintained even after the initial collision, whereby the fundamental substance is reaccelerating itself through the process of galaxies, stars, planets, black holes, autonomous particles, etc. I used the colors to depict degrees of freedom (temperature), which also represents the state of randomized motions, whereby the universal expansion began totally opposite of the BB view. In this model, everything starts expanding from an absolute zero (one degree of freedom) singularity type point at the leading edge of the fundamental substance; rather than an absolutely hot and condensed (in all directions) traditional standard model singularity. The arrow of time is in the direction of motion, and a head on view would cause the appearance of everything expanding from a point type traditional singularity, but the entire volume of the FS was always there, it's the nature of the condensed state in which it travels with absolute linear velocity that causes the previous traditional perception.

My reference to a planck diameter is due to me thinking that if the fundamental substance was to accelerate a volume of itself to absolute linear velocity (one degree of freedom), how large of a volume could it cause to reach absolute linear velocity instantaneously? Anything less than an instantaneous reaching of absolute linear velocity within an entire volume would mean that the rest of the volume would be forever trailing the planck diameter amount which reached absolute linear velocity first, possibly causing a funnel affect/shape as the rest of the volume continued to accelerate and condense. I'm just trying to work out how the FS accelerates itself. For some reason, I want to relate it to current models of black holes, and singularities.

I'm no singularity expert, but anytime a volume of the fundamental substance was moving with absolute linear velocity, there would be no internal reference to time within that volume. The entire volume would have an external time reference to any other volume, but internally all motion would be uniformly forward in one direction; no contrast to give rise to internal relative time. This is how I picture the initial state of the FS, before the collision, when all motions where uniformly forward. The entire fundamental substance changed its position relative to the external void it traveled through, but there was no internal contrast of random motion whereby any relative internal time could be observed within the fundamental substance; all internal motions were uniform. This reminds me of certain interpretations of black hole singularities. I just picture the cause of time standing still, etc., due to the acceleration to absolute linear velocity, whereby time didn't stand still, all motion just reached one degree of freedom with no relative internal reference to a change in position, which would prevent internal relative time within that volume.

This is kind of implying that absolute zero linear velocity would always be at the maximum condensed diameter perpendicular to the direction of motion, which is where I get my crazy ideas about the initial state of the FS before the crash.

[r.p.bibra]

don't know a thing about physical sciences, but your theory makes a lot of sense and need serious attention!love.ls.

[PoPpAScience]

You’re spreading it a bit thick aren’t you Tim OK! OK!; you’ve got the job; you can be my press agent.

To answer your question: My concept provides the interpretations of current science terminology needed to allow most everyone to comprehend and understand everything in the physical universe with only one exception; life. Though knowing how physical phenomena works will help us understand how life works to some degree, it does not help us understand what life is. To me this comes down to the same fundamental question as to “What is the fundamental substance?”; we know what it does but cannot know what it is; the same is true for life; we can only know what it is by knowing what it does; its behavior and its properties. Maybe this should be enough to allow us to have the peace of mind that we truly exist and what we are made of will exist for eternity.

PS: I’ll attempt to give a simplified concept of wave mechanics that will help complete these interpretations.

Dave;

I feel this thread belongs on page one, so I'm moving it there. It is the third time I have read it and enjoy it very much.

I surely wish you would give a "simplified concept of wave mechanics". You explain things very coherently when it comes to science, and being that wave mechanics is where my knowledge is at its weakest, I sure would love to be enlighten on it. Hope you can find time to do so.

[dleviwing]

Thanks Allen; everyone likes to be stroked once in a while; I guess I’m no different.

”Wave Mechanics” is basically the mathematical discretions of wave behavior and interactions. I am assuming you are asking for a more visual explanation without too much math. I am also assuming you are more interested in the “electromagnetic waves”.

Everyone knows that a wave is a vibration of some form of medium; water, air, jellow, or even a slinky. The problem with electromagnetic waves is that there doesn’t seem to be a medium; what this really means is that we haven’t been able to measure one. This is where I find science being a bit silly in that we are quite capable of measuring physical and electrical properties of the spatial vacuum itself; we also define a geometry of how this spatial vacuum behaves; the name spacetime however, is a bit ambiguous though - I still like the name “Aether”.

One of the most important things about wave is that they have a behavior called “interference”; this is when two wave collide they produce areas that add their strength and areas that subtract their strength; constructive and destructive interference. The best way to visualize this is to imagine two spinning water droplets on the space station; both droplets are spinning left to right as you face them. If you start to bring them together you will notice that where they are about to make contact, the spin of the left one is coming toward you and the spin of the other is going away from you. If these droplets make contact they will either bounce off each other or splatter; this is destructive interference. Now imagine the one on the right is spinning right to left. Now when they come together both spins are coming toward you. If they are spinning at the same angular velocity, then the point of contact is at zero relative motion to each other and the droplets will merge; constructive interference.

If you look at these droplets as particles, you can see where they get the terms “Up-spin” and “Down-spin”. If you consider that the droplets are also vibrating as they spin you can see the concept of particle wave function that also influences the vibration of the spacetime or Aether environment around them. As a particle acquires greater angular momentum, their wave function get shorter until the vibration becomes synchronous or a single wavelength function and thus it becomes a wave symmetry that only interacts with fields of the Aether that are harmonic to that frequency.

I have left out a great deal of detail but I hope this helps. If you have specific questions, feel free to ask them. See if you can match this discription with the mainstream quantum terminology.

BTW: Fields are the domains created by the interference and thus you have constructive high spatial density and destructive low spatial density fields. These are sometimes called virtual particles or photons.