Toronic Concepts

[G_burnett]

"We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up to now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.” — Max Planck
…All so true that just when one who is a great thinker finds a suitable answer they change the question … was it not then just the first question that was wrong or the answer?
"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.” — Max Planck
…. The nature of things is the reality made clear not solving the problem of exist a problem of being … it has never been a problem for me to realize I am. We named the entire beast in the field, we did this and it gave us power over there mystery a long time ago and what we could not name we gave to a reason it was of a greater power then ourselves, that a god it was. Never did it answer to an objective question and thus fail the human exist in the giving unto god.
"And indeed it was not by accident that the greatest thinkers of all ages were deeply religious souls"
— Max Planck
… I would define the deeply religious soul as a holy man, filled with the holy spirit of the father almighty that named all the beast in the field and gave us righteousness of deed defined that we would survive and live not just exist the alternative and thus filled with the holy spirit was and is the almighty, a living god that walketh the earth, holy father of which we are all children of his love concern … what do you ask of me child?

[greenbug]

So what your saying is it is ok for Planck to contradict him self but no one else?

"We must assume behind this force is the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind"

is contradictory to

"We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up to now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.”

Wouldn't assuming one system over another constitute a law?

[labelwench]

Do the contradictions exist in nature?

Or do the contradictions lay in our observations, experiencing and attempts to interpret their combine?

As Kristofferson says in one of his songs, "....a walking contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction...." about sums it up as far as I have observed to date.

We desire to 'know', yet what do we really know that cannot be interpreted differently by another?

Splitting the atom with variable result, perhaps.....

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Trickster & The Power of Q...

How easy people forget the fact that the only truth is in logical variables of the 'Trickster Rhetorical Mind'__It fools the subjective religious, into thinking they know what they do not, and can not know, far faster than the scientific...

All thinking eventually evolves from feelings and objects, to faith, belief, ideologies, dogmas and 'catmas'__Then one must re-find the 'Self-Trickster Fundamentals'__to know the 'No Single Truth Possible' of the non-truths__It's all variables, all the way down, and all the way up__Even science's fixed constants, are really variables__at depth__Just accelerate em to c, and watch em change__Even Planck's constant... For the un-aware__that's the absolute relativity of QM__iff such exists...

"You want the truth? I'll give you the truth; There ain't no truth." Bob Dylan, the `60's

"There exists absolutely no single truth, of all truths..."

"There exists no single scope and context, true for all scopes and contexts..."

And allen, the final laugh is on you, and your kind__go worship some more egoistic hate and stupidity__Your usual occupation, against honesty...

Science sees all subjective ignorance, for just what it is__Silly ignorance...

Worship the subjective ignorance all you may__I'll stick with the objective cognition/perception__thanks...

The Myth of Subjective Cognition__All Cognition Is Objective…

"Feelings can never understand mind mechanics__Only a cognitive intellect can__possibly do so... Feelings give us pleasure, not cognitive mechanics..."

[MJA]

"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.” — Max Planck

Once One solves the equation of Oneself, One solves the equation of All. All is One.

=

[labelwench]

I have just been watching the 'practice round' between the two top scoring contestants in the history of the game show 'Jeopardy' and the supercomputer 'Watson'.

It is most instructional to watch, in my opinion.

'Watson' is very adept at strictly 'data oriented questions', while the humans fare better when the answer involves more subjective input.

The example given clearly demonstrates the ability of our mind to influence itself, which is a factor that Lloyd has raised on many occasions.

Our ability to be objective when assessing data is questionable at the best of times, would be the conclusion that I draw.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/2393/

[labelwench]

Most of the following from Lloyd's previous post, with some adjustments made by myself, as I read and interpret the points which work within my own parameters.

An example of how each of us uses our ability to discern and select at all times, from the streams of information we encounter everyday.

Trickster & The Power of Q...

How easy people forget the fact that the only truth is in logical variables of the 'Trickster Rhetorical Mind'__It fools the subjective minds, into thinking they know what they do not, and can not know, far faster than the scientific...

All thinking eventually evolves from feelings and objects, to faith, belief, ideologies, dogmas and 'catmas'__Then one must re-find the 'Self-Trickster Fundamentals'__to know the 'No Single Truth Possible' of the non-truths__It's all variables, all the way down, and all the way up__Even science's fixed constants, are really variables__at depth__Just accelerate em to c, and watch em change__Even Planck's constant... For the un-aware__that's the absolute relativity of QM__iff such exists...

"You want the truth? I'll give you the truth; There ain't no truth." Bob Dylan, the `60's

"There exists absolutely no single truth, of all truths..."

"There exists no single scope and context, true for all scopes and contexts..."



Science sees all subjective ignorance, for just what it is__Silly ignorance...

Be wary of the subjective ignorance __I'll stick with the objective cognition/perception__thanks...

The Myth of Subjective Cognition__All Cognition Is Objective…

[G_burnett]

not many can they say has had such a forum where the almighty spirit has shown up Dave, i know you are finding this most intertaining i am sure. I realy think you must be on to something here .. cheers! kind regards graham

[JAK]

Please forgive my digression to rehash old news, but ...

LOL, that has been said to me a few times now for other avatars I have used. There are only a few and I use the one that I feel best fits me. I'll go with none from now on as to not offend anyone's ownership, LOL.

But PoPpAScience, no matter which avatar you use - or even none at all - every choice will result in using MJA's avatar: = = = (Right?)

Now, let's return to "live" play ...

Let's see ... where were we?

Ah, Yes! We were delvwing into truth which leads to a criteria of truth, which ultimately leads to the existence of "not" (which MJA rejects/accepts because "is" = "not"), which all leads back to Dave's four fundamentals of his Toronic theory.

For us to rationally evaluate Dave's approach, we need to have a falsifiable test.

Dave, is there a falsifiable test for proving/disproving your theory? What "evidence" can you provide which is the strongest support of your Toronic model? In otherwords, what is the most convincing aspect which leads you, yourself, to believe in your model?

Thanks!
JAK

And with that, Voila! We are back on topic.

[PoPpAScience]

Trickster & The Power of Q...

How easy people forget the fact that the only truth is in logical variables of the 'Trickster Rhetorical Mind'__It fools the subjective religious, into thinking they know what they do not, and can not know, far faster than the scientific...

All thinking eventually evolves from feelings and objects, to faith, belief, ideologies, dogmas and 'catmas'__Then one must re-find the 'Self-Trickster Fundamentals'__to know the 'No Single Truth Possible' of the non-truths__It's all variables, all the way down, and all the way up__Even science's fixed constants, are really variables__at depth__Just accelerate em to c, and watch em change__Even Planck's constant... For the un-aware__that's the absolute relativity of QM__iff such exists...

"You want the truth? I'll give you the truth; There ain't no truth." Bob Dylan, the `60's

"There exists absolutely no single truth, of all truths..."

"There exists no single scope and context, true for all scopes and contexts..."

And allen, the final laugh is on you, and your kind__go worship some more egoistic hate and stupidity__Your usual occupation, against honesty...

Science sees all subjective ignorance, for just what it is__Silly ignorance...

Worship the subjective ignorance all you may__I'll stick with the objective cognition/perception__thanks...

The Myth of Subjective Cognition__All Cognition Is Objective…

"Feelings can never understand mind mechanics__Only a cognitive intellect can__possibly do so... Feelings give us pleasure, not cognitive mechanics..."

Once again in a confrontation with me, Preacher Lloyd of the Atheist Cult, resorts to giving a sermon about himself, and the faith he has in his beliefs. Then as usual Preacher Lloyd of the Atheist Cult throws in a few insults of no merit or truth, as his congregation of followers give him an Amen.

PS...Still laughing my ass off.