[truedreamm]

Are you now leaning upon that door Muthu,we need to jemmy it open,and seek
the vast store of knowledge that is deposited there?


regards michael/

yes my friend ,

i am in process of creating an article who created us ?? god or nature ??

Regards muthu

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by truedreamm

yes my friend ,

i am in process of creating an article who created us ?? god or nature ??

Regards muthu

Many thanks Muthu,I shall look forward to reading it.

Lets all work together.

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Yogi, what is spirit/soul really made of___if it's so real? What is its true substance? How does it exert force? Prove antimatter...

regards,

Energy "what It Is" - Today, 08:47 AM

WHEREAS, Energy exists in the core of every atom in the form of vibrations. All existence, all matter whether liquid, solid or gaseous, are vibrating packets of light and sound.

Quantum physics recognizes this scientific fact. Likewise, this same vibration of light and sound is a basic constituent of the soul and can be experienced with the help and guidance of a competent spiritual teacher who has realized the soul’s full potential.

Sant Rajinder Singh Ji Maharaj (a living spiritual teacher) points out: “Within us is a divine spirit from which our intelligence and wisdom is derived.” The process of accessing that inner divine spirit, intelligence and wisdom is called meditation; and,

WHEREAS, If we unify science and spirituality and if we transform knowledge to wisdom by meditating and experiencing the driving force behind all existence then we have the key to human unity. This experience will transform our individual life and the lives of those around us. These individual transformations will ultimately bring unity and peace at the community, national and global levels.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

IC, wisdom requires facts___where is it? Facts can be proved___emotions can't. You have stated nothing but emotional conjecture, the same as most of India, her logic excluded, has stated for the last 10,000 years or more.

"If we unify science and spirituality and if we transform knowledge to wisdom we have the key to human unity." This part of your post, I agree with, however spiritists see the universe backwards, and have no, and can never have any proof of mind/spirit/consciousness or any such entities producing or co-existing eternally with matter. When spiritists can finally turn their onticallity around to the truth of matter producing mind in the bio-age, then, and only then, will it be possible to unite humanity___so get your science/spirit order right, and we can go forward...

regards,

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

IC, wisdom requires facts___where is it? Facts can be proved___emotions can't. You have stated nothing but emotional conjecture, the same as most of India, her logic excluded, has stated for the last 10,000 years or more.

"If we unify science and spirituality and if we transform knowledge to wisdom we have the key to human unity." This part of your post, I agree with, however spiritists see the universe backwards, and have no, and can never have any proof of mind/spirit/consciousness or any such entities producing or co-existing eternally with matter. When spiritists can finally turn their onticallity around to the truth of matter producing mind in the bio-age, then, and only then, will it be possible to unite humanity___so get your science/spirit order right, and we can go forward...

regards,

Please, explain to me how matter produces mind - and how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is ? ? ? ? ?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness

Please, explain to me how matter produces mind - and how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is ? ? ? ? ?

How matter produces mind=evolution...
Every K1 child knows what matter is...

BTW, I asked the questions; "Where's your facts of wisdom?" "What is mind made of?" What is spirit made of? What is consciousness made of? The condition of proof is on this New Age spiritual foolishness, that's spreading as the newest fad to another nowhere-land___not me. I don't have to prove anything, it's already been proved over and over again and again over the last few centuries. Science, actual experiments and reality are on my side___you and your's hold no cards or proofs___only emotional conjectures and suppositions. Try the two cases, science and spiritism, in any court in America, and any judge would laugh the spiritists out the door___ya know___conjecture___supposition...? We already went through that foolishness once with the Scopes' monkey trial___do we really need to waste our time there___again...? BTW, the christian prosecution attourney, William Jennings Bryan, died from the torture of the trial, especially when the a-theist Clarence Darrow won the case for evolution...

regards,

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

How matter produces mind=evolution...
Every K1 child knows what matter is...

BTW, I asked the questions; "Where's your facts of wisdom?" "What is mind made of?" What is spirit made of? What is consciousness made of? The condition of proof is on this New Age spiritual foolishness, that's spreading as the newest fad to another nowhere-land___not me. I don't have to prove anything, it's already been proved over and over again and again over the last few centuries. Science, actual experiments and reality are on my side___you and your's hold no cards or proofs___only emotional conjectures and suppositions. Try the two cases, science and spiritism, in any court in America, and any judge would laugh the spiritists out the door___ya know___conjecture___supposition...? We already went through that foolishness once with the Scopes' monkey trial___do we really need to waste our time there___again...? BTW, the christian prosecution attourney, William Jennings Bryan, died from the torture of the trial, especially when the a-theist Clarence Darrow won the case for evolution...
regards,

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Re: Toronic Concepts - 11-22-2006, 04:24 PM

"DO WE KNOW WHAT FUNDAMENTAL MATTER IS" ? This is like asking “who are you?” We respond by stating our name, age, and appearance. We may even continue by going into the history of our family. This simply means that we are to others the summation of our attributes. This is the fundamental methodology of science. To KNOW what something IS, we must state what the attributes of that something are in terms of observable phenomena.

"NOW DO WE KNOW WHAT FUNDAMENTAL MATTER IS" ? - NO, we only know what it does and how it behaves. These are the terms of scientific measurements. Energy, charge, gravity, atoms, spacetime, permeability, particles, and so on are only descriptors of fundamental matter that allows us to manipulate our environment."

Science is a ridged discipline of quantitative measurements (dimensions) used to define what we can know. Many confuse “Theoretical Science” as being science. These theories are the philosophies that interpret the numbers obtained from the observation and dimensions of science. This is where our current mainstream science has the greatest difficulty; how do we interpret the numbers?

To interpret the numbers, we need an absolute fundamental paradigm of reality. This is the premise of the Toronic paradigm. One substance and its attributes existing and interacting in a cosmological void.

My question to you LG is,
"Please explain to me how matter produces mind - and how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is" ?????

[truedreamm]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Re: Toronic Concepts - 11-22-2006, 04:24 PM

"DO WE KNOW WHAT FUNDAMENTAL MATTER IS" ? we only know what it does and how it behaves.
"NOW DO WE KNOW WHAT FUNDAMENTAL MATTER IS" ? - NO, This is like asking “who are you?”

"Please explain to me how matter produces mind - and how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is" ?????

what is atom????? what is matter?????

Atom has two physical characteristics, one is mass of atom and other is magnetic force of atom. This magnetic force of atom is very important or primary physical characteristics for nature and mass of atom is not important or secondary characteristics for nature
Nature takes care or collects only magnetic force of atom and don’t take care of the mass of atom.

To understand atom, let us imagine a piece of sugar cane is an atom, the juice in sugar cane is magnetic force of atom and wastage of sugar cane with very little amount of juice is mass. So in a planet the collected juice of atom creates the resultant force gravity in the mass of atom.

So primary character of the matter is only force (magnetic force) in it and mass (wastage) is only secondary character of the matter.

True science can fill in between gap of science and spirituality.

If we unify science and spirituality and if we transform knowledge to wisdom we have the key to human unity."what you say is true Lloyd gillespie

"DO WE KNOW WHAT FUNDAMENTAL FORCE IS" ?

Is there any one can answer my question
Did gravity is fundamental force??????

I say 100% gravity is not a fundamental force.

regards

[mkirkpatrick]

Muthu,you ask deep questions,what is fundamental force?The answer to that question,I
feel lies with motion?Fundamental force is motion,and motion is the response of intent,
intention is the will of absolute,which when activated creates motion,which in turn brings
about energy and force manifested in "time and space"!

Gravity could also be called "deep affection" if one were to add an emotional edge to this
attractive force!

I agree with you wholeheartedly that true science will fill the gap between science and
spiritualty.

May this day now dawn!!


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

You are correct Muthu, gravity is not a fundamental force, motion is the only fundamental force, and I see this as the only uncreated source of motion possible___infinite, eternal space, thermal matter linear motion... It's the only fundamentals left when you reduce all to its least required fundamentals, to still allow the possibility of a universe of finiteness...

"What is atom? What is matter?" The only way I know of answering this in its fundamental state, is to take one atom and theorize it as the only substance in the primary void/space of infinite zero temperature thermal matter linear motion. Just visualize how long the life of this lonely atom may be in such reduced circumstances___no other angular spin to keep its contents spinning___no heat source to accompany its gravity attempts___no other electromagnetic waves to help it spin or attract___no gravity to hold it together___no vacuum to allow its structure to move freely within... How long would it take such an atom trapped in the absolute space/void of 0k to dissapate its remaining radiation? How long to decay death, into the absolute thermal matter linear motion, of the absolute changed state of this thermal matter linear motion? The only way I can theorize or know the absolute ground state of matter is through this theoretical, yet completely computable, possibility. If the ground state of matter be anything else, then it is against the laws of physics, and I hardly doubt this, as they have been proven correct for over two hundred years strong, and thousands of years in their weak state proofs. I accept the laws of physics and possible calculations as proof enough... The absolute ground state of matter is easily figured, in its final changed macro and micro state forms. Low temperature physics, high temperature physics, high power supercooled electromagnetism physics and high and low velocity physics have shown us there are going to be no great surprises, in the final simple truths of science and cosmology, therefore I accept the simple calculations required to understand macro and micro state decays of finiteness into its final ground changed states of the matter we already know. This final phase space state of matter will be far less important, I believe, than what we already know. What do you think?

Regards,
Lloyd

regards,

Originally Posted by truedreamm

"Please explain to me how matter produces mind - and how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is" ?????

what is atom????? what is matter?????

Atom has two physical characteristics, one is mass of atom and other is magnetic force of atom. This magnetic force of atom is very important or primary physical characteristics for nature and mass of atom is not important or secondary characteristics for nature
Nature takes care or collects only magnetic force of atom and don’t take care of the mass of atom.

To understand atom, let us imagine a piece of sugar cane is an atom, the juice in sugar cane is magnetic force of atom and wastage of sugar cane with very little amount of juice is mass. So in a planet the collected juice of atom creates the resultant force gravity in the mass of atom.

So primary character of the matter is only force (magnetic force) in it and mass (wastage) is only secondary character of the matter.

True science can fill in between gap of science and spirituality.

If we unify science and spirituality and if we transform knowledge to wisdom we have the key to human unity."what you say is true Lloyd gillespie

"DO WE KNOW WHAT FUNDAMENTAL FORCE IS" ?

Is there any one can answer my question
Did gravity is fundamental force??????

I say 100% gravity is not a fundamental force.

regards