[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness

My question to you LG is,
"Please explain to me how matter produces mind - and how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is" ?????

IC, I answered you as I did, because your position has been one of attacking science, since you joined the quest. If you are sincerely interested in the science side of toequest, I'd be more than glad to answer your questions. Let me know if you would like to participate scientifically, then we can procede.

The best I will offer right now is my response to Eric, so you may know the difference of our thinking patterns, as so far, I feel your's is similar. Here it is;

Here's the easiest way to reflect our major differences, that I believe anyone can understand. Let's just look at the differences of our souls. Now, I would guess you believe in a soul that has spiritual substance, and also view this is the same "correct" position of all human souls. I would further guess that this substance of soul you believe in has allegiance to the history of other wise[by your soul's standards] souls___in other words, their emotional truths are your emotional truths[not all, but some]. I, on the other hand, have a soul also, but of entirely different substance. I, after comparatively studying most all the religions and esoteric schools of the world, and most all the philosophers and physicists of the world came to realize there is more than one emotional/soul standard of thought. Though I used to have the same soul you believe in, I came to realize its shortcomings, when dealing with the absolute fundamentals of science, so I looked more deeply at the soul's conflicting ideologies, ingrained within, by the evolutionary inputs of history. My soul does not see itself as the ingrained base of emotional beliefs___my soul sees itself more honestly, as no more than the mind's self-reflective mirrors of intellect, emotion and logic, relected back into an equilibriated ego of the self___balanced between science and human spiritualism. Now, you may say that's terrible, the ego having an equilibriated justice over the emotional soul, but you would be failing to realize, I am the one truly trying to unite the true mind, spirit and soul under one substance___the only possible substance of a real and absolute soul___matter. So, when your soul of emotional beliefs comes up against someone, such as a logical scientist, trying to be fully honest, your emotional beliefs blind your one sided intellect to its own truth of the equilibriated justice, the ego/soul is truly capable of. It's just the other standard of the soul you have not recognized, yet many philosophers, mathematicians, logicians, and physicists have, for centuries...

As to your question, it's answered already in my response to Muthu. Now, as I've stated; "Where's your proofs?" "What's mind, spirit, and consciousness made of?" These are fair questions, yet you choose to attack, instead of answer. Don't you think that may make one a bit irritable?

regards,

[truedreamm]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness

Please, explain to me how matter produces mind - and how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is ? ? ? ? ?

If we unify science and spirituality and if we transform knowledge to wisdom we have the key to human unity."how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is ? ? ? ? What you say also correct

how it is possible to unify science and spirituality without Rectifying an error, yes the problem start from the base of science,
what is atom ??what is matter???
I have given answer for these question
To understand you forget about matter (mass)and only think about forces in it.

Can you answer my question
Did gravity is fundamental force??????
I say 100% gravity is not a fundamental force.

true science can fill in between gap of science and spirituality.

regards

[mkirkpatrick]

Muthu,Yes indeed we need to unify science with spirituality and transform dry dusty
knowledge into crystal clear wisdom,that would herald the dawn of a new "Golden Age"!


regards michael.

[truedreamm]

Originally Posted by truedreamm

If we unify science and spirituality and if we transform knowledge to wisdom we have the key to human unity."how you can possibly know that if you do not know what matter is ? ? ? ? What you say also correct

how it is possible to unify science and spirituality without Rectifying an error, yes the problem start from the base of science,
what is atom ??what is matter???
I have given answer for these question
To understand you forget about matter (mass)and only think about forces in it.

Can you answer my question
Did gravity is fundamental force??????
I say 100% gravity is not a fundamental force.

true science can fill in between gap of science and spirituality.

regards

Infinite Consciousness
To understand atom, let us imagine a piece of sugar cane is an atom, the juice in sugar cane is magnetic force of atom and wastage of sugar cane with very little amount of juice is mass. So in a planet the collected juice of atom creates the resultant force gravity in the mass of atom.

So primary character of the matter is only force (magnetic force) in it and mass (wastage) is only secondary character of the matter.


what is your answer about matter????
matter is primarly magnetic force

regards

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by truedreamm

Infinite Consciousness
To understand atom, let us imagine a piece of sugar cane is an atom, the juice in sugar cane is magnetic force of atom and wastage of sugar cane with very little amount of juice is mass. So in a planet the collected juice of atom creates the resultant force gravity in the mass of atom.

So primary character of the matter is only force (magnetic force) in it and mass (wastage) is only secondary character of the matter.


what is your answer about matter????
matter is primarly magnetic force

regards

truedream, but what is magnetism ? Matter is the Light & Sound at its most congealed frequency of vibration i.e. thought or electro-magnetism as particles and waves in the physical-material universe.

Magnetism is the Sound-Current and the Sound-Current is physical-material gravity outside the atom and spiritual gravity within the atom.

Hebrews 4:12 "The Word of God is quick (living) and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (Light) and spirit
(Sound)." The Sound-Current is the source of all Light and its magnetism is the only thing able to hold Light that is why the Word stands forever.

AS human beings we have lost awareness of the Sound-Current within us and this allows part of our Light to go out as mind - and the part of our Light that goes out as mind is controlled by the outer sound acting as gravity and that is how the balance is maintained between the expansion and contraction of the universe.

[baudrunner]

I must apologize to you infiniteconsciousness for introducing you to some real science. I hope that I do not boggle your mind too severely, but you know, as they say, "facts is facts."

Since you were wondering about the nature of magnetism I have pulled this from another of my illuminating posts...

1. what is magnetism?

In general, electrons form pairs in the orbitals of an atom. An electron spins about its own axis, which, because it is electrically charged, gives it the properties of a small magnet, with north and south poles. The two electrons of a pair spin in opposite directions, resulting in the cancellation of their magnetic moment. An unpaired electron confers paramagnetism upon the entire atom or ion. The greater the number of such electrons, the larger the magnetic moment.

Additionally, the nuclei of all elements can be classified as having spin or not having spin. A nucleus with spin gives rise to a small magnetic field, the nuclear magnetic moment.

paramagnetism: The tendency for most of the transition metals and their compounds in oxidation states involving incomplete inner electron subshells to move into a magnetic field.

ferromagnetism: An extreme form of paramagnetism - a property exhibited only by iron, cobalt, nickel, and gadolinium. They have incompletely filled d or f subshells and their atoms cannot be too closely aligned in their crystal lattice or too far apart. In the first case the singly occupied orbitals of neighboring atoms overlap and the electrons become paired with those of opposed spins, and in the second, the unpaired electrons of one atom cannot align the electron spins in the neighboring atoms.

The central core of the earth is largely iron. Iron ranks second in abundance among the metals and fourth in abundance among the elements in the earth's crust. Hematite and magnetite are the important iron bearing ores. Magnetite is strongly magnetic, sometimes possessing polarity, in which case it is called loadstone. There is a massive deposit of loadstone very near the north magnetic pole.

The sun has been found to consist of collossal nuclear reactions surrounded by an iron mantle under a sea of plasma. Not all of the planets have a magnetic field like the sun and the earth.

I would ask that in the future you refrain from taking quotes out of the bible, as the minds of those primitive writers had no understanding of TRUTH. All interpretations of reality to them were expressed as myth, and taken for truth by the ignorant. I remind you that this is a science site, not a forum for religious fanatics.

[mkirkpatrick]

Muthu,you have been absent from this thread a while now,is everything alright?


regards michael.

[truedreamm]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Muthu,you have been absent from this thread a while now,is everything alright?
regards michael.

michael,baudrunner and Infinite Consciousness
sorry ,my friend and friends I am out of station , I will be back to my home next week and then let us discuss about present magnet by true science view.

Regards muthu

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by truedreamm

michael,baudrunner and Infinite Consciousness
sorry ,my friend and friends I am out of station , I will be back to my home next week and then let us discuss about present magnet by true science view.

Regards muthu

Good to hear from you,hope you are back on line soon.


regards michael,

[truedreamm]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Good to hear from you,hope you are back on line soon.


regards michael,

The Standard Model is a good theory. Experiments have verified its predictions to incredible precision, and all the particles predicted by this theory have been found. But it does not explain everything. For example, gravity is not included in the Standard Model.

Atom

All normal matter is composed of particles such as protons, neutrons and electrons, and all of these have the fundamental property of quantum mechanical spin. Spin gives each one of these particles an associated magnetic field. Because of this, and the fact that the average microscopic piece of matter contains huge numbers of these particles, it would be expected that all matter would be magnetic. Even antimatter would have magnetic characteristics.

A material that is strongly attracted to a magnet is said to have a high permeability. Iron and steel are two examples of materials with very high permeability, and they are strongly attracted to magnets. Liquid oxygen is an example of something with a low permeability, and it is only weakly attracted to a magnetic field. Water has such a low permeability that it is actually slightly repelled by magnetic fields. Everything has a measurable permeability: people, gases, and even the vacuum of outer space.

Atom combine together to form molecule. In molecules, the constituent atom are held together by attractive forces. This attractive force which binds the atoms in a molecule is referred to as chemical bond.

Present Science had missed important subject magnetism of atom and misunderstood about existence of Magnetism in atom.But Present science have seen the magnetism of atom indirectly in the name of pressure, density, positive or negatively charged,chemical bonding, etc.

Present science view about: magnetism of atom
All normal matter is composed of particles such as protons, neutrons and electrons, and all of these have the fundamental property of quantum mechanical spin. Spin gives each one of these particles an associated magnetic field ,So Magnetic field in atom was created by spin of particle

True science view about: magnetism of atom

All normal matter is composed of magnetic particles such as nucleus (protons,neutrons) and electrons, and the fundamental property of quantum mechanical spin was created by unlike magnetic force of nucleus and electron, so spin is only resultant of magnetic particle.

So Magnetic field in atom was created by magnetic particle. Then this magnetic force in atom was superior for magnetic waves.

Simple example to describe the presence of magnetic force in atom is mixture of oil and water, this is good example for existence of unlike nucleus magnetic force in liquids.

True science view about: present magnet

paramagnetism: The tendency for most of the transition metals and their compounds in oxidation states involving incomplete inner electron sub shells to move into a magnetic field.

ferromagnetism: An extreme form of paramagnetism - a property exhibited only by iron, cobalt, nickel, and gadolinium. They have incompletely filled d or f subshells

What is the true reason for this incomplete inner electron sub shells??????

Now let us see in true science view, present magnet are composed of magnetic particles such as nucleus (protons, neutrons) and electron. So matter consists of two unlike magnetic force of nucleus magnetic force and electron magnetic force.
nucleus magnetic force was the primary force of matter, this primary magnetic force
group together at center of gravity of matter. This primary magnetic force keeps under
control or neutralize the secondary electron magnetic force. But in present magnet some secondary electron magnetic force of electron group together and work against or repels primary magnetic force of nucleus because of it unlike magnetic force. This was the true
reason for the incomplete inner electron sub shells.

In Simple about: present magnet
Fight in-between two unlike magnetic force of nucleus and electron is present magnet.

regards muthu