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    can mass be quantized?

    Quantum mechanics was able to quantized energy. Quantum field theories were able to quantized many different fields. But there is still a need to quantize mass itself, which is the same thing as quantizing the force of gravity.

    But it is also a true statement to say that quantizing gravity is the same as quantizing spacetime. But when time is zero, space must also be zero. This agrees with the big bang theory of the universe.

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    Mass/Energy???

    Hi Antonio;
    Personally I see it as the "Big Bang Hypothesis" and not truly into the theory status yet.

    Mass is already quantized since mass and energy are equivalent; wouldn't you say?

    BTW, The BB is also wrong as currently defined. Can't have something from nothing without entering religious philosophies.
    Best wishes;
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    David,

    I agree: we see mass as to be a special kind of energy, but in fact it is not. It is made of the same quanta as the rest of energy types. Also, mass doesn't need a particle that impplies it value (as string theory's proposition), because no other energy needs a particle that impplies it's value. Mass is just energy.

    Now, if time gravity's quanta is the same as space-time quanta, the problem is that if gravity is zero, then there is no space-time, but is this true? For me it is, because there can only be space-time if there is matter (and if there is matter there is mass and viceversa) thus there must be gravity. Also, I'like this theory because it makes sense to the idea that the photon is the quanta of spacetime as well as electromagnetism, if we include to it my theory of the photon being made of gravitons.

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    forgotten post

    I have forgotten ever making this post. What I have in mind for the quantum of mass is the Higgs boson. see it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]²=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c²

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    Smile Franck-Hertz-experiment 1996-97

    Dont know if this is any use to you Antonio,But there was an experiment called
    "the Excitation of mercury atoms" this was done to verify that atomic systems
    have discrete energy levels,by bombarding electrons and observing the difference in energy levels within an electrometer.
    Good to seeyou back Antonio.




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    investigating experiment

    Quote Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick
    there was an experiment called"the Excitation of mercury atoms"
    Thanks. I will look into this experiment.
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]²=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c²

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    Smile if it is latin then it is greek to me.!

    Antonio,what does the mkhcgrsgm bolchy vsq est mean! I have triedto translate
    it and failed.is it an anagram?

    kind regards michael.
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    Smile dont mess up the mass.

    Can mass be quantized?Yes if you first understand what you are trying to do here,and also to understand what it is you are quantizing!There is only one issue
    here and only one thing here,mass=energy=force=power=mind=thought=aether=
    all these names are really exactly the Same thing,this is why confusion reigns
    supreme,we keep looking at so called seperate things-there is only onr thing-
    thats IT=Energy=mindfulness.So mind into all =mc squared.All is a product of mind and mind is a product of all.job done.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick
    Can mass be quantized?Yes if you first understand what you are trying to do here,and also to understand what it is you are quantizing!There is only one issuehere and only one thing here, mass=energy=force=power=mind=thought=aether=
    all these names are really exactly the Same thing,this is why confusion reigns
    supreme,we keep looking at so called seperate things-there is only onr thing-
    thats IT=Energy=mindfulness.So mind into all =mc squared.All is a product of mind and mind is a product of all.job done.
    Michael;
    When you refer to "MIND", are you pointing out a relationship of the:
    1….. human consciousness of the brain?
    2.... consciousness of a supreme entity?
    3…. consciousness of the physical substance of the universe?
    4…. NONE OF THE ABOVE? (Then what?)
    I find myself agreeing with you up to the point you say "mind".
    Can you clarify the meaning of "mind" that you are using?


    as always;
    Dave

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    united minds are a powerful force!

    Quote Originally Posted by dleviwing
    Michael;
    When you refer to "MIND", are you pointing out a relationship of the:
    1….. human consciousness of the brain?
    2.... consciousness of a supreme entity?
    3…. consciousness of the physical substance of the universe?
    4…. NONE OF THE ABOVE? (Then what?)
    I find myself agreeing with you up to the point you say "mind".
    Can you clarify the meaning of "mind" that you are using?


    as always;
    Dave

    Well Dave number three,consciousness ofthe physical substance
    of the universe,that foots the bill for me,But all the other aspects play a
    part as well.

    kindest regards michael.
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