[ChildofGod]

You are right sir, the point needs clarification.

The energy that makes up our concious has always been with the universe, since it's inception and before, IMHO. We are simply energy moving into, through and out of form. The energy that created the universe, is the same energy that creates conciousness. In a sense, we were never born, and we will never die. We are perpetual energy in motion. We must also follow the laws of the universe. The observer must be in the equation, even if it's not called conciousness. We are energy too.


To add another point: I believe that everyone is of two minds.

There is the ego driven mind, and there is the divine driven mind. The ego mind is all about glorification of self in the universe. This mind tends to get lost in the details of life quite easily. Everything is viewed as perception, as though the world is reflecting upon you. It is linear thinking at it's finest. It's like standing under the universe and looking up.

Then there is the divine mind, where self doesn't matter in this universe. This mind tends to soar above the details of life quite easily. Everything is viewed as perspective, as though you are reflecting upon the universe. It is eternal thinking at it's finest. It's like standing above the universe looking down.

The shift of mind set to the divine is so radical to do, most never achieve it. However, when the shift of perspective does take place, we say that person has become enlightened.

I choose the divine mind for myself. It's really easier when you get used to it. I can't imagine going back to my old thought patterns. Heck I got these registers developing as filing systems within my mind, they are images that store images. The more I work on it the more it develops. Wildest thing I've ever seen.


Thanks for participating in the thread,
Mark

We are blind because we refuse to believe we are more than a cosmic accident.

[Fluent Piffle]

Originally Posted by ChildofGod To add another point: I believe that everyone is of two minds. There is the ego driven mind, and there is the divine driven mind. The ego mind is all about glorification of self in the universe. This mind tends to get lost in the details of life quite easily. Everything is viewed as perception, as though the world is reflecting upon you. It is linear thinking at it's finest. It's like standing under the universe and looking up. Then there is the divine mind, where self doesn't matter in this universe. This mind tends to soar above the details of life quite easily. Everything is viewed as perspective, as though you are reflecting upon the universe. It is eternal thinking at it's finest. It's like standing above the universe looking down. The shift of mind set to the divine is so radical to do, most never achieve it. However, when the shift of perspective does take place, we say that person has become enlightened. I choose the divine mind for myself. It's really easier when you get used to it. I can't imagine going back to my old thought patterns. Heck I got these registers developing as filing systems within my mind, they are images that store images. The more I work on it the more it develops. Wildest thing I've ever seen. Thanks for participating in the thread, Mark We are blind because we refuse to believe we are more than a cosmic accident.

This equates that 'ego mind' and 'divine mind' are two halves of the same 'mind', that they are equal, but that we must choose one over the other. Evidence is here...

"It's like standing under the universe and looking up." ...or...
"It's like standing above the universe looking down."
...the connotations are that it is somehow better to be 'above' than 'below' - still dualistic thinking. With dualistic thinking, it appears natural to swing between 'perceived opposites', but One Thing, such as Existence is, can have no opposites in Reality.

'Divine mind' is nothing other than Truth (Reality of how things exist), and if Truth is a 'cosmic accident' we must accept it as so, and learn to deal with the consequences. It doesn't have to be seen as an 'accident' (derogatory) as it can also be viewed as a random harmony, that sometimes must fall apart to perpetuate the very Natural laws of motion (constant change).

We cannot be 'more' than the Truth of what exists in Reality.


pif.

[MJA]

One can only be true when he is one!

MJA

[ChildofGod]

There are some great thinkers at this site. That's easy to see.


As I read and rethink, I see that the two minds are a duality. I don't think one can be banished in favor of the other. For me, recognizing the duality in my everyday experiences, allows me to make more fluid decisions for myself.

I take the observer position to all things within my own experiences. I remain external of myself. I suppose this is a choice, but I'm not sure if one can unlearn "third eye vision". I didn't set out on a path to develop a third eye, it just happened. I love it though, and now that it has begun to develop. I seek more of it.

I suppose one could call it a "random harmony". For me, I don't see anything as random. I actually see the phrase, "random harmony" as an oximoron.


MJA had a good line: "One can only be true when he is one." This to me says, when you see yourself as one with the whole, truth is revealed. I believe it.


Another quote of truth from this site: "We are all free to hold our own beliefs."


Thanks for participating in the thread,
Mark

They can lock me up, they can ridicule me, they can physically harm me, but they can never insert my thoughts, only the absolute power can do that.

[MJA]

[quote=ChildofGod;30578]There are some great thinkers at this site. That's easy to see.


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It takes one to know one!

MJA

[Fluent Piffle]

When you remove the inner self from the equation, you have nothing left. - I remain external of myself.

I actually see the phrase, "random harmony" as an oximoron.

- I see 'cosmic accident' as the same!



'Belief' is a victimisation by the individual upon himself and the Truth of how he exists.



pif.

[ChildofGod]

Originally Posted by Fluent Piffle - I see 'cosmic accident' as the same! 'Belief' is a victimisation by the individual upon himself and the Truth of how he exists. pif.

I guess I'd have to agree. Your here, so your somebody's bitch. May as well be you.


Thanks for participating in the thread,
Mark

Issues arise through the barrier of expression. Truth becomes lost in the translation of the written word. We need a language of absolutes.

[ChildofGod]

Walking upon God's meadow emanating in green
There is a love more wondrous than any I've seen
For the circles of life with it's roads aplenty
Lead but to one place it's the emerald city
By the choices we make our dwelling becomes
God's purity in truth or Satan's sin of the slums
Peering down from above I can clearly see
My dwelling of choice is the love tree
I will eternally live on the circle of love
It's the planting of choice by my father above
Trespassers be warned, I'm armed to the tee
I emanate truth to the highest degree

Written by me:
Mark