[Profpat]

Sorry about the disappointment Frederick. No that sphere is not original. I displayed it to show the octants could be in a geodesic spherical shape as well.

As far as gray I view the 9th area, to be black, that is the void space in which it rest. The gray area would be actually the electron, as per this diagram:

[Fredrick]

Thank you for that image, Pat. I did a check on the image you provided:

- and I checked it to see if you made it so that it would be easy to find the ether. That turned out to be not the case. After placing one picture on top of the other, I had to tweak the dial of the left picture to 46% and the dial of the right picture to 57% of opacity to even get close to one of the three colors matching the gray of the back ground.


Getting all three colors to become as gray as the background simply turned out to be impossible. Here is the picture I got, and please look at the amount of gray that was already and truly quite difficult to establish:

As you can tell from the text above the color circles, these are both pictures placed on top of each other; they should be gray in a perfect situation, but they aren't. That's not because it isn't theoretically possible, but they were created by you without having the natural balance of gray in mind. Now, imagine if we weren't talking about anything as simple to display or talk about as colors, but imagine we were trying to communicate to each other about forces, bosons, ether, and the likes...

You have some real explanation to do if you want to portray the back ground black, Pat. Do you consider the universe on average as being black? I am looking forward to your answer.

http://www.pentapublishing.com/Pat.html

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Fredrick I do like the little drawing to the right in which I can see a double pyramid.

Hi Fredrick

I'm intrigued with the double pyramid as well. I have been looking for a possible link with the second electron shell of the atomic structure using the tangrams. How do you see it?

regards
Felix

[Profpat]

Hi Frederick;

That's an interesting overlay. It appears the gray in the middle is darker than the gray in the background. I imagine that to be some optical illusion in that the values should be the same.

Regarding your question:

You have some real explanation to do if you want to portray the back ground black, Pat. Do you consider the universe on average as being black? I am looking forward to your answer.

I imagine the average to be close to black, as it's average temperature is close to absolute zero. Absolute black being the absence of light or color is what I expect the Void to be.

Best to all,

Pat

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by Felix Schrodinger I'm intrigued with the double pyramid as well. I have been looking for a possible link with the second electron shell of the atomic structure using the tangrams. How do you see it?

Hi Felix,

First with Pat's drawing of the 8 cubicles, 8 appears to be much more natural to me than I ever expected before. I remember having the same kind of surprise (of being puzzled) why the second electron shell (and third) has place for up to 8 electrons.

In my theory, a single pyramid already displays all that is needed, and I regard a double pyramid as a curious visualization that may be intriguing, but not telling the story correctly (even kind of blocking a proper view on everything). However, when considering a pyramid as the basis of an abstract delivery of everything, then of course seeing a pyramid shape, albeit a double header, remains an interesting signal about someone's thinking about abstract structures.

What I find interesting is that the first shell to the last shows a jump from:
2 - 8 - 8 - 16 - 16 - 32 - &...
The first shell strongly points to a dual aspect of the principle in our universe (in my theory, duality plays a very important, but not all-exclusive role), and I would see 8 then as 2 to the third power. What is interesting though is that there is not a 'normal' increase, such a 2 to the first, 2 to the second, 2 to the third power, etc. But we see a
2 to the 1st,
2 to the 3rd,
2 to the 3rd,
2 to the 4th,
2 to the 4th
sequence of electrons per shell.
I found something similar (though different) in my mathematical delivery on number zero and the prime numbers.

It is almost as if indicating that the second and third shells (and the fourth and the fifth shells) are paired spatially/structurally, and should possibly be regarded as dual rows, in which one plays the primary role, and the second shell plays the complimentary role (like DNA sequencing?). What are your thoughts, Felix?

[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by Profpat That's an interesting overlay. It appears the gray in the middle is darker than the gray in the background. I imagine that to be some optical illusion in that the values should be the same. Regarding your question: I imagine the average to be close to black, as it's average temperature is close to absolute zero. Absolute black being the absence of light or color is what I expect the Void to be.

I think it is just a matter of starting out, Pat, with two pictures that optically display each other's opposite colors, yet that in reality are not precise enough to turn the entire picture into one large gray zone. Because, that's what should happen if half of one opposite image is placed on the half of the other delivery: one big gray zone. What I tried to do was see if I could turn the right-bottom color into the same gray as the background; I failed since it is still slightly visible as something yellowish and almost dirty-looking.

To be honest, I do not know what the average temperature of our universe exactly is. I do think it is a bit warmer than zero K, but averages are indeed not that interesting in the larger scheme of things. Still, just like the night is never pitch black, the universe is not a dark place. I also do not know what you mean with the Void. Please, explain this, Pat. In your visualization, where do you place the ether, or have I not read enough of this thread and do we consider the ether similarly, as not existing, but appearing to exist?

[Profpat]

Hi Frederick;

I believe there is an ether, here are two of my prior posts relating to that subject:

Main article: Luminiferous aether
The basic idea of the æther as a physical transmission medium is simple, and like all media, if it exists, must have fundamental properties including a pressure, mass density, and temperature. Further, if compressible, it will also exhibit a characteristic finite propagation speed, c, at which all transfer of momentum and energy through it can be carried from one physical location to another. Compressibility also means that there will also be a distinct coefficient of compressibility (and its inverse, a distinct modulus), a characteristic impedance, and the ability to create and sustain wave activity. Any other properties, including ponderable matter and the specific characteristics of waves are solely dependent upon specifics arising from these basics.

Further Einstein whose theory didn't require an ether revisited it:

Such a view, however, contradicts the continuum concept of space-time and fields and Einstein's statements in "Aether and the Theory of Relativity", May 5th, 1920:
"More careful reflection teaches us, however, that the special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny ether." and "To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever".

cannot but regard the ether, which can be the seat of an electromagnetic field with its energy and its vibrations, as endowed with a certain degree of substantiality, however different it may be from all ordinary matter. (Hendrik Lorentz, 1906)

According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of matter, as consisting of parts ('particles') which may be tracked through time.
(Albert Einstein, 1928, Leiden Lecture)

[Profpat]

Hi again Frederick;

So yes I do believe in an ether. The void I vision to be just outside of our universal space. It is that which allows our space to expand. Once space expands into the void it is no longer the void however, but space.

It is therefore not " REAL ' in that it is not, nor could it ever be part of our reality. Our reality being the universe and the void is just outside of our universe.
So in a "real" sense there is no outside, since it is void and becomes the universe once the universe enters it.

Just some of my thoughts. I also think the ether is the EMR or whatever else which may be out there. ( Quantum foam, strings, neutrinos, etc. )

Best to you,

Pat

[Felix Schrodinger]

Originally Posted by Fredrick (1) First with Pat's drawing of the 8 cubicles, 8 appears to be much more natural to me than I ever expected before. I remember having the same kind of surprise (of being puzzled) why the second electron shell (and third) has place for up to 8 electrons. (2) In my theory, a single pyramid already displays all that is needed, and I regard a double pyramid as a curious visualization that may be intriguing, but not telling the story correctly (even kind of blocking a proper view on everything). However, when considering a pyramid as the basis of an abstract delivery of everything, then of course seeing a pyramid shape, albeit a double header, remains an interesting signal about someone's thinking about abstract structures. (3) What I find interesting is that the first shell to the last shows a jump from: 2 - 8 - 8 - 16 - 16 - 32 - &... The first shell strongly points to a dual aspect of the principle in our universe (in my theory, duality plays a very important, but not all-exclusive role), and I would see 8 then as 2 to the third power. What is interesting though is that there is not a 'normal' increase, such a 2 to the first, 2 to the second, 2 to the third power, etc. But we see a 2 to the 1st, 2 to the 3rd, 2 to the 3rd, 2 to the 4th, 2 to the 4th sequence of electrons per shell. I found something similar (though different) in my mathematical delivery on number zero and the prime numbers. It is almost as if indicating that the second and third shells (and the fourth and the fifth shells) are paired spatially/structurally, and should possibly be regarded as dual rows, in which one plays the primary role, and the second shell plays the complimentary role (like DNA sequencing?).

Hi Fredrick

I have been intrigued with Pat's shapes since I first joined the site and Kigs has made some really nice illustrations of them. My main interest in the shape is in relating it to the 'masons' and gravitons of my own TOE. The mason is the node at each corner of the cubic structure of the aether and the gravitons are the links which join the corners together. I had been toying with the octahedron as an alternative but now realise that the cube and the octahedron can be viewed as similar structures: The cube has six sides and eight nodes whereas the octo has six nodes and eight sides. Both have eight links. I am finding the cube easier to work with now.

(1) I feel that the eight electrons of the second and third shells is no coincidence but is related to this structure. But more immediately, I find that by marking each of the links with plus and minus ends, I get a structure which is identical to Pat's eight cubes within a larger cube and with their tangrams at the nodes (corners). Is this just something obvious or does it have a deeper significance particularly for the electron shells?

(2) Could you please provide a link to your article or paper

(3) Are you suggesting two sets of eight creating the fourth and fifth shells?

regards
Felix

[Profpat]

Hello Frederick and Felix;

My own thought is that the electron shells are more the cause of proton and neutron stacking. Similar to this:




Figure 22. Oranges or atoms in three dimensions
will stack in these three arrangements.


The problem I have, however, is that my theory has the proton “ dome like “ open so it is able to project an electron. Being computer illiterate I’m not able to come up with a program that will assist me in that endeavor. I guess I could make 300 or so pipe cleaner models and attempt it by hand. Also I believe there is a limit to this stacking and therefore we have alpha decay, the weak nuclear force.

You can find further information regarding stacking and the pentagram of the Pythagoreans at:
( http://www.mi.sanu.ac.yu/vismath/reza/reza2.htm )

Best to all,

Pat