An Idea

[Profpat]

God only knows Mikal:

My thoughts, or opinion, would be probably not gravity, in that you ( your awareness, the I Am ) is outside of your body, and I believe gravity needs to have mass ( your body ) to be operative.

I read where people with NDE have a compelling force to go into the LIGHT, while another force is trying to bring them back to there body. I never experienced that, my OBE was more controlled.

So the only honest answer I can give you is I don't know.

Best and good luck in your quest,

Pat

[Mikal]

Thanks Pat...you said "gravity needs to have mass (your body)"...Joseph Chilton Pearce who wrote the Biology of Transcendence, A Blueprint of the Human Spirit" said transcedence is an issue of biology. I know the two forces I experiened were real, understand the biological mystery involved...just can't get insight yet into gravity. I do thank you for your help, comments and hope I am not being a nuisance here...smiles

[JamesANicholson]

HI Felix (without the fleas)... unless we understand completely what is ether and whether it exists at all, we cannot in any way define a TOE using it. I read yesterday that there is an intermingling of atoms and molecules in space, is it what you call ether???

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dipayankar, et al,

I am not sure that anyone has yet provided the scientific community with a widely accepted definition of the "Eather" or "Ether."

Perhaps we should attempt to define it for ourselves here and then see if it might not be introduced to the wider Scientific community for general acceptance.

If we use the other familiar mediums for the transference of waves, namely 'gases, liquids, and solids' as templates for "ether" as a thinner medium for the transference of waves (of energy, basically), we only need to establish that there is a thinner material medium present in the deep space between the stars and even the galaxies.

To establish that there is some kind of material presence, we need only acknowledge that solar winds are surely material enough in nature to exert a real force with real momentum. They may be composed of a plethora of particles and photons, and "energy" which is nothing but very excited and dissipated mass, anyway. Then when you consider that every star and galaxy is converting nearly unfathomable amounts of mass into energy and throwing off all of this material out into deep space, you are almost backed into a corner of having to admit that, well, yes, there is some material, though thin, out there even in the deepest space.

So there is a medium present. That thin medium is what has to be defined as the cosmic "ether."

This is not as much of a static state medium as solids, liquids or even gases are. The "ether" is a very dynamic medium, where the Tiny Bits of material are moving very fast over much longer distances between interactions with other tiny bits relative to gases, liquids and solids. But they are every bit as much present and accounted for.

We could even calculate the density of the ether based on the weight of the mass lost to energy by the convergence of Hydrogen to Helium in stars along with the rate of convergence and the distance from the star. In fact I am sure that this has already been done. It is just that no one has made the connection that all of that converted mass/material has gone somewhere.

In my theory, I further propose that the direction and geometry of where these solar winds come into states of equal opposition is what constitutes "Gravity." And that these gravity spots are where mass begins to reform. In other words, Gravity is responsible for the formation of mass, and simple geometry is responsible for gravity in the presence of solar winds.

And gravity is just where solar winds collide. Gravity is so much weaker by comparison simply because the medium is so thin at the outer radius where the tiny Bits start to come together and begin to build pressure and in the process exert small amounts of pressure on every object that they collide with as they enter destination gravity wells or spots of equal opposition on their way to a geometrically targeted ideal center.

Therefore, "gravity oriented particles" arrive in a broad range of sizes and velocities from radio waves to astroids.

But Solar winds, through the configuration of the stars positions, will find their natural equilibriums and begin to act "Gravitically"--pushing toward a common center-- over time compressing into gases, which are quite a bit denser/thicker and over time onto liquids/plasma, which are denser/thicker and then over time onto solids which are even denser/thicker and ultimately colder.

Now, tell me this doesn't sound perfectly reasonable! And disarmingly Simple. LOL

Best to you all,
Aaron

[Felix Schrodinger]

... unless we understand completely what is aether and whether it exists at all, we cannot in any way define a TOE using it. I read yesterday that there is an intermingling of atoms and molecules in space, is it what you call ether???..........or even dark matter?

Sorry I missed school yesterday - couldn't get myself thought out of the box.

Hi Dippy

At present we can't explain where massive particles come from and how they interact with eachother and the forces of nature. But, since we subscribe to TOEQuest we must be accepting that there is some underlying truth that will enable us to see how all of these things come together. I am postulating that this underlying principle relates to the aether. This is not substance in the real world and therefore does not consist of atoms or molecules - it the the fabric of space which bends to make the effect we call gravity and possibly also magnetism. It accounts for the strong and weak forces and it's shape is likely based on Pat's cube with the yin/yang symbols. If you watched Brian Greene's PS broadcast 'The Elegant Universe' (thanks again for the link Pat) you will see that he frequently uses the same construction as a background. His current description of string has also changed from unattached loops to vibrating strands with fixed ends - similar to those described in my TOE which describes all this in more detail.

Dark matter is another mystery but, at present it is just a concoction which enables astrologists to describe the rotation of the galaxies based on the apparent misbehaviour of gravity in that case. I think that a viable explanation for DM will involve the aether but don't know how.

regards
Felix

PS - can I suggest that you transfer questions on my TOE to my article: http://www.toequest.com/forum/toe-th...nce-shiva.html (assuming Robert has fixed it?)

[Profpat]

Hello Everyone;

Allow me to give you my thoughts regarding the ether. To me it’s the ancients 5th element. The ancients five elements were earth, water, air, fire, and the ether. This corresponds to our modern day solid, liquid, gas, plasma, and ether.

According to Wikipedia the ancients thought the ether to be:

The fifth Classical Element is known by various names: Aether (Greek αἰθήρ), Idea (Greek ίδέα), quintessence, or ίερόν, (Greek hieron "a divine thing").
According to ancient and medieval science, Aether (Greek αἰθήρ, aithēr[1]), also spelled ether, is the material that fills the region of the universe above the terrestrial sphere. Aristotle included ίδέα, idea, as a fifth element distinct from the other four, Earth, Water, Air, and Fire.
Plato and Aristotle referred to Aether as "Idea", and in this sense, it may be regarded as that which exists outside the material world (i.e. thought processes, mathematical algorithms, etc.). Aether was also called quintessence (from quinta essentia, "fifth element"). Quintessence was also thought to be heavenly, i.e. not of the material world (matter). Quintessence was also said to have the power of life. Its Platonic solid was the dodecahedron.

Notice how they did not consider it to be material or matter. Now in our modern world we have something which perfectly matches that description, and it’s real and present throughout our universe. It’s called the Cosmic Background Radiation.

Again according to Wikipedia:

In cosmology, the cosmic microwave background radiation (most often referred as acronyms as CMB but occasionally CMBR, CBR or MBR, also referred to as relic radiation) is a form of electromagnetic radiation discovered in 1965 that fills the entire universe.[1] It has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.725 kelvin. Thus the spectrum peaks in the microwave range at a frequency of 160.2 GHz, corresponding to a wavelength of 1.9 mm. Most cosmologists consider this radiation to be the best evidence for the Big Bang model of the universe.

It is real, present everywhere, has been there since the beginning, it’s energy, and is very colorful.

So EMR or CBR has my vote for being named the ETHER.

Pat

[Profpat]

An addendum to the above post;

Remember the CBR wasn't discovered, until AFTER the ether was prematurely eliminated, by the scientific community. And so whether Einstein needed it or not, it is there.

Best to all,

Pat

[Mikal]

Profpat...the ancient Qabalah claims and I transcribe here...emotion is matter, the magnetic field of the heart and thought is the space which allows the two to interact, the field of the heart holds the electromagnetic force through which all matter interacts. This is the strong nuclear force or pionic force which binds the nucleus together represented by emotion. Within each elementary particle there is a need for a cohesive force to counteract the electromagnetic force within the particle itself. This is thought which represents the weak nuclear force. The fourth force gravity corresponds to the phase state of thought which is a confluence of the other three forces. In the experiential the field of the heart represents the radiation of energy, while emotion represents the absorption of energy. Thought which represents the transmission of energy is then the synthesis linking the two.
I am no scientist but is ether the psyche/pure mind state???

[JamesANicholson]

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Hello Everyone;
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In cosmology, the cosmic microwave background radiation (most often referred as acronyms as CMB but occasionally CMBR, CBR or MBR, also referred to as relic radiation) is a form of electromagnetic radiation discovered in 1965 that fills the entire universe.[1] It has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.725 kelvin. Thus the spectrum peaks in the microwave range at a frequency of 160.2 GHz, corresponding to a wavelength of 1.9 mm. Most cosmologists consider this radiation to be the best evidence for the Big Bang model of the universe.

It is real, present everywhere, has been there since the beginning, it’s energy, and is very colorful.

So EMR or CBR has my vote for being named the ETHER.

Pat

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Pat,

RE:
"Thus the spectrum peaks in the microwave range at a frequency of 160.2 GHz, corresponding to a wavelength of 1.9 mm. Most cosmologists consider this radiation to be the best evidence for the Big Bang model of the universe."

What if this is just the averaged wavelength of a much wider spectrum of radiation and cosmic particles as it works out from the Earths particular point of view? Or the 'mean' average?

And would it be unreasonable to say that the ether could/should/would vary in density in the same way that the atmosphere varies in density as one approaches a planet, with an atmosphere, from space, or, coming at it from the other direction, gets thinner as the climber ascends to the summit of a very tall mountain? This seems so much more logical than the idea of a homogeneously dense ether matrix as a uniform "background" across the entire expanse of space as established from one single event such as a "Big Bang." There is more evidence of variation in densities with the clumping and clustering of stars and galaxies and just the difference from deep space to planet and stars and even within planets and stars, than there is for a uniform gray-goo-same-everywhere sort of matrix or "background" for the ether.


Aaron

[Felix Schrodinger]

Remember the CBR wasn't discovered, until AFTER the ether was prematurely eliminated, by the scientific community. And so whether Einstein needed it or not, it is there.

Brilliant posts Pat!

I have a feeling that the CBR is the mechanism of time rather than the remnants of the BB. See my thoughts on chronons.

regards
Felix

[Felix Schrodinger]

And would it be unreasonable to say that the ether could/should/would vary in density in the same way that the atmosphere varies in density as one approaches a planet..........This seems so much more logical than the idea of a homogeneously dense ether matrix as a uniform "background" across the entire expanse of space as established from one single event such as a "Big Bang."

Hi Aaron

The variation in the density of the aether is what causes the effect we call gravity through the warping of space in proximity to mass. Thus, whilst the aether has a uniform structure it is not uniform in its consistency.

regards
Felix