An Idea

[Drifter]

"The few who dance are thought crazy by those who do not even hear the music."

[Tina]

Maybe I have overstay(t)ed my welcome on this thread?

Re: Profpats comment about starting your own thread...do you know you can introduce a forum topic of your own which you can direct discussions. When people introduce topics they like to keep them "on topic" and discourage diversions (not necessarily disagree - but want in the appropriate place).

Re: your other rescent comment about coming together - Yes - in the name of Truth.

[Drifter]

I have been known to "drift" off topic, as for me, all roads point - lead home, to "That" one Truth.

Thank you both, very much

Namaste`, and Ciao, Brother/Sister/Self

Re: Profpats comment about starting your own thread...do you know you can introduce a forum topic of your own which you can direct discussions. When people introduce topics they like to keep them "on topic" and discourage diversions (not necessarily disagree - but want in the appropriate place).

Re: your other rescent comment about coming together - Yes - in the name of Truth.

[Profpat]

HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE

[Tina]

HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE[/SIZE]

Is that YOU profpat? Greybeard has a Halloween suprise for you so Happy Halloween from me too!

[Profpat]

Is that YOU profpat? Greybeard has a Halloween suprise for you so Happy Halloween from me too!

No Tina it's not me, you can see a picture of me at Cosvis ( RP ) Holy Man site.

Are you going to PM me with your youtube site?

Best to all'

Pat

[Drifter]

Very apropos Professor

You define-It-ly got the point, Sir.

crystal-balls and hallo-weenies prof =O)

[Tina]

No Tina it's not me, you can see a picture of me at Cosvis ( RP ) Holy Man site.

Are you going to PM me with your youtube site?

Best to all'

Pat

I've seen the Covis offering!!! Don't let that thing near my forum on the Root of Evil - I may be forced to lose my concentration.

Graybeard is messaging you I think with YT details.

[NotStein]

That's good 'The ghost of the mass'. Another silly question, Why does not EM waves require medium to travel? if photon is energy and does not have mass, it should require a medium like ether to travel. But we know ether does not exist...

Maybe EM waves do require a medium to travel in. Article after article talks about the 'virtual bubbling sea' of 'potential' particles, that real particles pop in & out of. It's either there or not; Quantum loop theory speaks of a mesh of looped whatzits quantizing the minimum discrete elements of distance and time. Again, it's either there or not. From another viewpoint, all energetic moving phenomena from atomic explosions, comets (tails), and the big bang degrade as they progress. Heisenburg's principle demands it; They leave detrius behind. In the case of the big bang, I just feel that the detrius left behind we happen to call space-time. It's either there or not. If it's there, it's a medium. If it's a medium, it constrains the speed of light (EM).

Jeff


Jeff

[Profpat]

[quote=NotStein;37965]Maybe EM waves do require a medium to travel in. Article after article talks about the 'virtual bubbling sea' of 'potential' particles, that real particles pop in & out of. It's either there or not; Quantum loop theory speaks of a mesh of looped whatzits quantizing the minimum discrete elements of distance and time. Again, it's either there or not. From another viewpoint, all energetic moving phenomena from atomic explosions, comets (tails), and the big bang degrade as they progress. Heisenburg's principle demands it; They leave detrius behind. In the case of the big bang, I just feel that the detrius left behind we happen to call space-time. It's either there or not. If it's there, it's a medium. If it's a medium, it constrains the speed of light (EM).

Hi Jeff;

Welcome back.

You are right about some form of ether being out there. Not the conceptual idea from Plato and Aristotle, as it being the 5th element, but rather real stuff.

A little research I did:

Such a view, however, contradicts the continuum concept of space-time and fields and Einstein's statements in "Aether and the Theory of Relativity", May 5th, 1920:
"More careful reflection teaches us, however, that the special theory of relativity does not compel us to deny ether." and "To deny the ether is ultimately to assume that empty space has no physical qualities whatever".
As to the idea of "historical" aether theories it has to be decided, which "historical" theory out of many may adequately be currently taught?

[edit] Aether and quantum mechanics

Quantum mechanics can be used to describe spacetime as being "bitty" at extremely small scales, fluctuating and generating particle pairs that appear and disappear incredibly quickly. Instead of being "smooth", the vacuum is described as looking like "quantum foam". It has been suggested that this seething mass of virtual particles may be the equivalent in modern physics of a particulate aether.

As you can see even Einstein rethought his original thoughts regarding the ether.

Best to you,

Pat