An Idea

[Fredrick]

Hi Fredrick;

I'm glad you found the link useful. I wasn't sure if I should have posted it on your thread or mine. I decided here because it was a model of a quark and electron, something we were discussing here.

I have a couple comments regarding the quote:


"So, particles are not vibrations on a string (as in superstrings), but the vibratory motions of quantum defects (holes) in space. Hence, matter is essentially a negative energy defect in the fabric of space. One can understand from this the intimate link between space, matter and energy. As is mentioned subsequently, an excited particle is caused by the vibratory motions of these millions of holes (in stable configurations) that compose a piece of matter."


I believe the electron could very well be a negative area in space ( a ripple. field or dimple or hole ), which is created through a beam from the proton.

As far as the string itself I have always been open that it may be a vortex, funnel, spring, curved space, etc. I view it as the FS however. whether it be mass or energy.

Best,

Pat

Thanks, Pat (and thank you Austin for adding more fun to the thread; sorry for not being more funny, but some people are born funny, others are born the normal way).

I would say we are out of this by now, Pat; it is not good to hang onto linguistics for too long, but I am glad our discussion did go there to show how the images we have in our minds attribute to our understanding of the outside world as well. Though not a string person myself, if one can create a whole picture from it, then that would be helpful for other people's understanding of the whole. I can do it without strings attached.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Ha, Fredrick, you are indeed funny and abnormal.

What if stringiness had another way of raveling, say, that the ether was of such tiny stuff that it wasn't so particulate in nature but was more of a liquid thing?

Then currents passing oppositely alongside would twirl and swirl into a neutron, over millions of years until compressed to some limit dictated by the centripetal that we call 'solid', then break a bit into a proton and and an electron. (see thread of Fluid Energy Theory (FET))

[Profpat]

Hi Guys;

Austin:

Even a liquid ether would have to be made up of quanta, maybe strings, but still quanta.

Fredrick:

Speaking of images here is one of polarized entangled photons. Look familar?

The "Iconic Image" of entangled photons


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[dipayankar]

I have a small question for Prof. If matter is essentially an extension of rip-offs in the fabric of space time, then what is anti matter? IS it also a rip off of the space time fabric? Becase if they anhilate each other, then the hole in the fabric should heal.

Thanks, Pat (and thank you Austin for adding more fun to the thread; sorry for not being more funny, but some people are born funny, others are born the normal way).

I would say we are out of this by now, Pat; it is not good to hang onto linguistics for too long, but I am glad our discussion did go there to show how the images we have in our minds attribute to our understanding of the outside world as well. Though not a string person myself, if one can create a whole picture from it, then that would be helpful for other people's understanding of the whole. I can do it without strings attached.

[Profpat]

I have a small question for Prof. If matter is essentially an extension of rip-offs in the fabric of space time, then what is anti matter? IS it also a rip off of the space time fabric? Becase if they anhilate each other, then the hole in the fabric should heal.

Hi Dipayankar;

Welcome back to my thread. I've missed your questions like the one above.

I like your logic and my answer is I don't know.
I would say this however, If space has a fabric, which I believe it does ( Ether, made up of strings or radiation or whatever ), then it already has matter.

I accept antimatter as described by the standard model, namely the same particle, with opposite charge. And so the electron has a positron with a positive charge. A proton has an antiproton with a negative charge. Chargeless particles like the photon and neutron are their own antiparticle.

There is still much to explore here Dipayankar, and so let's explore.

Best,

Pat

[dipayankar]

Another small question Prof. If apcetime has matter, where did this matter come from? Can we account for this matter? How does it relate to dark matter??

Hi Dipayankar;

Welcome back to my thread. I've missed your questions like the one above.

I like your logic and my answer is I don't know.
I would say this however, If space has a fabric, which I believe it does ( Ether, made up of strings or radiation or whatever ), then it already has matter.

I accept antimatter as described by the standard model, namely the same particle, with opposite charge. And so the electron has a positron with a positive charge. A proton has an antiproton with a negative charge. Chargeless particles like the photon and neutron are their own antiparticle.

There is still much to explore here Dipayankar, and so let's explore.

Best,

Pat

[Profpat]

Another small question Prof. If apcetime has matter, where did this matter come from? Can we account for this matter? How does it relate to dark matter??

Another great question Dipayankar.

If I had the answer to that one I'd be the smartest S.O.B. in the valley.

So here are my thoughts.

Something has to be eternal, in that I don't believe you can have something from nothing.

But do we have something? Are thoughts something real and tangible? Is it not possible that this relative reality is an illusion? But than we would still have the question where do thoughts come from?

So we either have a universe which is eternal or God who is eternal. Maybe they are one and the same.

Needless to say thinking about eternal is more confusing than thinking about something from nothing.

I hope this confuses you as much as I am, regarding this subject.

On with our exploration.

Best,

Pat

[Fredrick]

Ha, Fredrick, you are indeed funny and abnormal.

Thank you, Austin. I never thought of myself as funny.

What if stringiness had another way of raveling, say, that the ether was of such tiny stuff that it wasn't so particulate in nature but was more of a liquid thing?

Then currents passing oppositely alongside would twirl and swirl into a neutron, over millions of years until compressed to some limit dictated by the centripetal that we call 'solid', then break a bit into a proton and and an electron. (see thread of Fluid Energy Theory (FET))

I have a confession to make, Austin and Pat, in that I now regard strings as possible. However, before getting all happy about that, I want to clear this up as my having detected a confusion of words that I now see as untangled:

I cannot accept anything as one-dimensional and real; I believe my confusion stems from strings being presented as one-dimensional. My half-Zen particles, described in an earlier post, is the smallest particle available, yet this is a 2D-particle, meaning it needs another half-Zen particle of 2D to become 3D. You will probably recognize my 2D+ set up of having two fake/art dimensions making one actual reality.

So, I consider it now possible that the strings are the same as my 2D+ Zen particles. A quick reminder: a Zen particle is the originating point at the potential universe, with materialization starting out with a squazillion half-Zen particles, all in desperate need to get whole again. They do so with the newly experienced limitation of materialization. A variety of 2D+ Zen particles would then exist (in the squazillion as created, but with that number divided by two of course).

Speaking of images here is one of polarized entangled photons. Look familar?

The "Iconic Image" of entangled photons


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Yes/No, Pat

I recognize it and I would say the basic set up of your avatar is visible if you have a twisted mind. It is very close (but no cigar).

Really, I love this picture: thank you.
Questions: Do photons always come entangled? Is this picture a visualization of two objects entangled or do they exist one behind the other? Where do the colors come from (real/false)?

[Fredrick]

I have a small question for Prof. If matter is essentially an extension of rip-offs in the fabric of space time, then what is anti matter? Is it also a rip off of the space time fabric? Because if they anhilate each other, then the hole in the fabric should heal.

If you allow me to answer this question, Dipayankar, I would suggest the fabric should be viewed as the surface of water (but with the surface existing everywhere), and waves the only visible parts of materialization. If two waves come from different directions, the water can get very choppy because two valleys and two crests would enforce each other, while one valley and one crest would annihilate each other.

I would not use the term hole, but I would use the term void or nothing with this void/nothing being an aspect of matter (not equal to the void being taken in by matter). Rather, matter is made up of energy that is more than the void but additionally it is also taking up the void location, warping the energy in the process.

Consider the potential energy the tissue and the void a little spot of water. The tissue gets warped and the wet spot is fully incorporated in the tissue, creating matter. Matter would therefore be more than just taking up the void. Potential energy + void = matter (warped energy).

The universe is a dynamic place, meaning the waves are there, and in our materialized universe they are always there. Though individually they are going in all directions, collectively there is only a single direction: outwardly. Playing tennis, you can consider matter the warped ball of energy going in a particular infinite direction (but influenced by encountered circumstances, with itself also creating circumstances experienced by other matter).

[Felix Schrodinger]

Are thoughts something real and tangible? Is it not possible that this relative reality is an illusion? But than we would still have the question where do thoughts come from?

Here's a little story on that very subject:

The Quarken Wakes
"Professor Starling, we're ready when you are" called the teckie. "It's all set on line two and Johnson is asking if you'll look in on this one, we're completely stumped".

"I'll be there in ten" he responded polite as he ever was, but not a man to waste words. To waste them would distract from his thinking time and that might mean that that his time on earth was reduced by that exquisite fraction that meant he would not achieve his goal.

Ever since his schooldays he had been like this when his interest had been awoken in science, not by the tedium of the chemistry or physics lab, but by the British science fiction writer John Wyndham. He had read and reread The Day of the Triffids but his favourite remained, as always, ‘The Kraken Wakes’. The anti-matter particle, which was the subject of his life's work had been named the Quarken as a sort of pun between its parent opposite - the Quark and Wyndham's Kraken.

And now it was in sight - literally. The new particle analyser could pick up the traces resulting from the collisions that were produced at the end of the accelerator and turn out a computer generated image that was better than anything the Americans or CERNE could produce. The unravelling of the nature of anti-matter was just a matter of time.

Starling's success at Cambridge had come, not from following scientific method but from the source of all great scientific discoveries - inspiration and intuition - a realisation that here or there was a new possibility that had not yet occurred to anyone else. He based his ethos on a quaint mixture of eastern and western philosophies, having been greatly influenced by Oppenheimer and the Los Alamos project. Oppenheimer had named the first bomb "Trinity" after the Hindu Gods: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Starling thought the choice significant and had wondered why Oppenheimer had not gone simply for Shiva - the Destroyer. His researches had taken him into eastern philosophies and the result was a blend of science and occult that no-one but he recognised or acknowledged.

All of his major advances had come during sleep, meditation or out of the blue - you know that feeling you get - "I wonder where that came from?" Starling had long given up on his colleagues in the physiological and psychological sciences who continued to insist that they would soon unlock the secrets of the brain. His argument that it was simply the receiver of messages and controller of the physical body.

Unable to get time on the CERNE accelerator he looked for alternatives and just as the personal computer had revolutionised its field he had produced a particle accelerator that would fit in a lab instead of underneath a whole mountain. The concept was elegant and simple and it revolutionised particle physics as every physics department with $2m to spare could own one. The accelerator itself was cheap but the devices that they used to record the particle tracks had not kept pace and they were now developing this alongside their original research into the Quarken.

Today, as they had every day for the last ten weeks, they would accelerate a charged particle to within a fraction of light speed and crash it into a target particle suspended in a magnetic fluid. As the particles broke fleeting glances of their constituents could be caught on photographic film - at least that was the way it had been done. The trouble with film was that it was two dimensional and this was where Starling had aimed his next major advance. The nature of the Quarken would be his as soon as he had the new three dimensional analyser working and correlated. But first they had to solve this little bug that the teckie had discovered.

The apparatus was based on holding the target particle in a magnetic field which was steady and continuously recorded in three dimensions by remote devices that did not themselves disturb the field. When the accelerated particle hit the target the changes in the magnetic field were recorded and this was used to track the resulting particles. The computer enhanced results were providing a new look at the meaning of matter - or at least one small piece of it - the Quarken.

The lab technician and his assistant sat beside the optical viewer which was the only opening into the collision chamber. This was used to set up the physical components before each test. Like a laser the whole operation used only low power and it was possible to watch the collision through the porthole eyepiece. From the size and colour of the minute impact you got a feel for the quality of the run. They decided to run the experiment and Starling would add his observations to his assistants' to see if they could iron out the bug before going home. The problem was the normal particles were not tracking where they should and this was making it difficult to pick out the Quarken from the background.

"I've tried a new setting on the target angle and we appear to have lost the particle completely" said the assistant, "neither of us can see it on the analysis afterwards. Perhaps you could look?"

Starling put his eye to the eyepiece, fine tuned the focus, and then gently pressed the start button. The emitter came to life and, within seconds, the accelerator warmed up, the green light came on and he initiated the fire sequence. He saw a small orange flash within the target area and the particles split as expected. However, instead of the Quarken streaking out beyond the target area it shot at right angles into the eyepiece, through the optics, through Starling's eyeball and into his skull where the soft spongy tissue of his brain halted its progress and his great mind absorbed its full impact.

"I just had a thought," he said, turning to his colleagues.




regards
Felix